Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

William Meyer

kylix Developer

Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

2003-11-06 05:22:41 AM
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On 05-Nov-03, Andreas Prucha said:

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I do not think that the linux users are "ideologically opposed" to
commercial tools.
And yet, many of them have been vocally opposed.

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Trane Francks

kylix Developer

2003-11-06 07:25:42 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

On 11/06/03 01:55 +0900, William Meyer wrote:

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Remember ROI? It's an essential part of the equation. I suspect that in
the Linux community, there is, and will be, no ROI for commercial
tools. And if that's correct, then the community will be self-limiting.
Considering that Borland Japan sells K3 Pro for 68,000 yen

(~US$620), why would developers in Japan want to buy it? It seems
to me that Borland Japan did most of the limiting in this market.

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the absence of profit. In the final analysis, it becomes a simple
business decision.
Yeah, well, pricing the Pro version through the roof seems like a

pretty stupid business decision. Simple though it may have been.
trane
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Trane Francks

kylix Developer

2003-11-06 07:31:18 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

On 11/06/03 06:22 +0900, William Meyer wrote:

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On 05-Nov-03, Andreas Prucha said:

>I do not think that the linux users are "ideologically opposed" to
>commercial tools.

And yet, many of them have been vocally opposed.
The vocal majority may not be the absolute majority. They may

simply make more noise.
trane
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Veronica Vivanco

kylix Developer

2003-11-07 05:30:45 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

In borland.public.kylix.non-technical, Iman L Crawford <>wrote in message
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It's still not the markets fault when a company fails. It's the companies
failure to properly work withing the market.
There was no market. That was the problem.

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William Meyer

kylix Developer

2003-11-07 07:15:50 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

On 06-Nov-03, Captain Jake said:

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Indeed. And I often wonder if Borland did enough statistical research
before charging in.
Oh, *that*! <g>

I was pretty surprised when they first announced. But then, I was
equally surprised at how eagerly they opened an office in the PRC.
Before you can follow the money, ISTM, you have to *find* the money!
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William Meyer

kylix Developer

2003-11-07 07:15:51 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

On 06-Nov-03, Captain Jake said:

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But they were incredibly rude and hard to deal with.
Amen!

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Besides, the hubbub over Linux has died. Most mainstream developers
aren't really too interested in moving to it anymore.
Yeah, and seeing RH become Fedora, and SuSE being bought by Novell

doesn't do much to inspire confidence on the commercial viability for
the desktop, either.
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especially experts in fields where there is no expertise that can be
verified by facts." -- Thomas Sowell

Andreas Prucha

kylix Developer

2003-11-07 07:28:21 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

"William Meyer" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:3faae437$1
@newsgroups.borland.com:

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Yeah, and seeing RH become Fedora, and SuSE being bought by Novell
doesn't do much to inspire confidence on the commercial viability for
the desktop, either.
For me, the server side development is also more interesting. But I want

Kylix for it :-)

Captain Jake

kylix Developer

2003-11-07 07:47:22 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

In borland.public.kylix.non-technical, Ender < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote
in message < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >...

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Linux community
created some kind of environment that constantly changes. They offer ways to
be compatible with that environment.
But they were incredibly rude and hard to deal with.

Besides, the hubbub over Linux has died. Most mainstream developers aren't
really too interested in moving to it anymore.
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Captain Jake

kylix Developer

2003-11-07 07:48:45 AM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

In borland.public.kylix.non-technical, William Meyer
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >...

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But the killing of Kylix by the socialists of open source should have
come as no surprise...
Indeed. And I often wonder if Borland did enough statistical research before

charging in.
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Phoenix

kylix Developer

2003-11-07 03:21:16 PM

Re:Re: Borland & Hara Kiri

Captain Jake wrote:

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Indeed. And I often wonder if Borland did enough statistical research before
charging in.
Though I don't agree that "the socialists of open source" killed Kylix, the Linux

survey that Borland ran on borland.com before committing definitely
contraindicated spending r+d money on it.
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