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Atle Smelvær
Delphi Developer |
Atle Smelvær
Delphi Developer |
Re: First day with production development on D20052005-06-04 06:46:53 PM delphi12 Quote>Yeah. But in the person's view who use those parts, it will be Hell"? I think it will suit you very well :) |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 07:02:16 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005
At 12:46:53, 04.06.2005, Atle Smelvær writes:
Quote>>Yeah. But in the person's view who use those parts, it will be My patients would not agree with you, for instance. Being a dentist is a bit like being a helpdesk for dental problems. <g> Anyway, my statement, quoted above, was not extreme. Saying that there are people who have problems with (some parts of) Delphi is not nearly the same as stating that Delphi is unusable. I will always contest the latter, because it is not true. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "The full use of your powers along lines of excellence." -- definition of "happiness" by John F. Kennedy (1917-1963) |
Atle Smelvær
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 07:32:15 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005QuoteAsking for the problem to be reported in QC is a reasonable request. newsgroups. |
Atle Smelvær
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 07:48:18 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005QuoteI may have. I clearly remember someone on one of the Kylix threads doing actually fight against Borland. |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 07:57:07 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005
At 14:18:52, 04.06.2005, Abe writes:
QuoteLets say a dentist put in a You could perhaps compare Delphi to a filling material. If one patient comes back with pain, that does not necessarily mean that the material is bad, just that something else could cause the pain (I know a lot of reasons, but that is off-topic here <g>). If many, but not all, patients come back after having received a filling with that material, you might conclude that this material contains something that could cause the pain. But it should still be investigated, and it would not be certain that only the material is the problem. It could just as well be that the dentist only used this material for fillings in places where there was extreme stress (I have materials I only use for posterior teeth), and such fillings are also often very deep, and close to the "pulp". Such fillings are more more prone cause pain one day anyway, despite of the material used. So it would be wrong to claim the dentist was at fault, or that the material was at fault. It could just as well be a situational problem. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "You can pretend to be serious; you can not pretend to be witty." - Sacha Guitry (1885-1957) |
Abe
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 07:58:17 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005Quote/Answering/ criticism implicitly indicates tolerance of it. Your the case. There is however a perception of "no tolerance" in the way that any criticism is blindly attacked or countered. This does not happen all the time but the majority of the time. Cheers Dean --- posted by geoForum on delphi.newswhat.com |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 07:58:47 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005
At 14:48:11, 04.06.2005, Abe writes:
Quote>That may be the response if people word their "problems" in a way that -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter." -- Blaise Pascal |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:01:15 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005
At 14:53:02, 04.06.2005, Ingvar Nilsen writes:
QuoteRudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes: One can perhaps say that (probably) many people have that problem. But there is a huge difference between both statements. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense." -- Edsger Dijkstra |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:04:46 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005
At 14:44:40, 04.06.2005, Abe writes:
Quote>You mean like with most other .NET languages (except C#, of which the And not everyone writes components. QuotePeople don't buy products because this one is better Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Give me a museum and I will fill it." -- Pablo Picasso (1881-1973) |
Atle Smelvær
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:06:51 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005Quote>>For those users who have or have had problems with D2005, it may look you fix a filing for a customer when you don't see the pain that he is telling you about? |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:08:15 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005
At 14:01:15, 04.06.2005, Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
Quoteone can not generally say generally Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] velthuis.homepage.t-online.de "Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them." -- Albert Einstein |
Abe
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:18:52 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005Quote>Almost every post critical of Borland or Delphi gets an have a very good reputation when it comes to bugs in QC which does not help. Take a look at the ActiveX list for example. If I could offer a bit of an analagy for your second point. Lets say a dentist put in a filling. The patient came back 2 days later explaining that is was hurting like crazy. The dentist would offer to have a look and sort it out, not bluntly say to the patient that none of his/her other patients were in pain. Quote>Sometimes a simple. "Can understand why you feel that way. I would resourcing problem (May have been you). The point I am trying to make is that they are the exception, not the rule. I'd like to get the feeling from TeamB that they are fighting for the customers not for Borland. As I said, it does happen that way, just far less often then the "disagreements". If you look at the number of posts by TeamB members and then see what percentage of those are offering help and how many are a bit like a parent scolding a child. I have no problem with TeamB confronting someone when they are clearly lying or speading rumours. Just a softer approach normally works better when someone is clearly frustrated. Cheers Dean --- posted by geoForum on delphi.newswhat.com |
Lord Crc
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:42:14 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:03:55 +0200, "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes: QuoteThere we go again: I think it is exaggerated to claim that a bug report Preparing the test cases and writing the QC report for them usually takes me 2-3 hours each. It certainly is a lot more work than clicking on a couple of buttons, but personally I feel it is worth it. - Asbjørn |
Abe
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:44:40 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005QuoteYou mean like with most other .NET languages (except C#, of which the the DLL for the library. May be stupid but thats what happens. QuoteAfter the last patch, it is said to be stable for most people. Quote3) There is a complete lack of faith in the company. subjective. That app has a nice logo. Quote>5) Kylix. QuotePrice of the tools is only a very small part of the software costs. upgrade here. Thats if I even manage to get it (They only seem to offer the V7/V8 upgrade) or over $1200 for the full pack. Give me a web site and let me download it. Much easier. It also takes a lot to convince someone to spend a lot more for something that does the same job. VS.NET 2003 C# Std is $105 and VS.NET 2003 Pro is $850. These are full packs not upgrades. I can even buy MSDN Pro which includes OS'es for Development and VS.NET 2003 Pro for $1290. $90 more then Delphi Pro. Cheers Dean --- posted by geoForum on delphi.newswhat.com |
Abe
Delphi Developer |
2005-06-04 08:48:11 PM
Re: First day with production development on D2005QuoteThat may be the response if people word their "problems" in a way that Dean --- posted by geoForum on delphi.newswhat.com |