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John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
Are you using QualityCentral yet?2006-01-14 02:25:26 AM delphi264 If you are not using QualityCentral, you should be. If you are using QualityCentral, be sure to report everything you care about for Borland products. QualityCentral works: blogs.borland.com/johnk/archive/2006/01/12/22742.aspx -- John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Donald Shimoda
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-14 03:54:11 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
John Kaster (Borland) writes:
QuoteIf you are not using QualityCentral, you should be. If you are using Donald. |
Sebastian Ledesma [Solidyne Labs]
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-14 04:23:47 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
What's happens John? We are running out of bugs... :-)
Saludos Sebastian "John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>escribi?en el mensaje QuoteIf you are not using QualityCentral, you should be. If you are using |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-14 06:18:19 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Donald Shimoda writes:
QuoteSome time ago, if a remeber well, you say maybe Borland release QC for -- John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-14 06:29:34 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Sebastian Ledesma [Solidyne Labs] writes:
QuoteWhat's happens John? We are running out of bugs... :-) Dave Nottage [TeamB] Have questions?: www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Want answers?: support.borland.com |
Donald Shimoda
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-14 08:54:50 PM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
John Kaster (Borland) writes:
QuoteDonald Shimoda writes: Donald. |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-15 02:33:10 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Donald Shimoda writes:
QuoteYeas you are rigth, just wanna know if that will happen some day. :) features are also found in StarTeam and CaliberRM, and Borland Tempo changes the landscape even more. -- John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Lauchlan M
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-15 09:58:03 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?QuoteI can not guarantee it will happen some day. We certainly have the developing it, providing support, fixing bugs etc if you make it available for others to use professionally. That's the way I would do it anyway - otherwise it would just become an open-ended cost for Borland rather than covering itself. I'd go for a cheap monthly (or other block of time) rental model, like web site hosting. Pay X$ per month and get QC tailored to your company (including html templates for it to match the client companies website site look and feel), and support. And if no-one is prepared to pay a $15 or $30 / month (or whatever) for it, you'd have to wonder if it is that important/useful to people. I guess you'd want to provide StarTeam / Calibre RM integration as well. But probably you've thought through all this already. Lauchlan M |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-15 01:50:02 PM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Lauchlan M writes:
QuoteI would have thought you'd have to look at whether it makes QuoteBut probably you've thought through all this already. John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Simon
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-16 02:24:40 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
No, here is why...
I tried to use QualityCentral for the first time yesterday. After launching the client from the BDS2006 Tools menu, and after entering BDN user name and password the client crashed. In fact, no matter what I entered it crashed. Next I tried to log into the web client. It says I can enter my normal BDN username and pswd, but it always says 'Login failed' if I do that. If I try and use my email addr and quality central password (which I set), then the web app crashes. Simon. John Kaster (Borland) writes: QuoteIf you are not using QualityCentral, you should be. If you are using |
Donald Shimoda
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-16 02:57:35 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Lauchlan M writes:
Quote>I can not guarantee it will happen some day. We certainly have the do to help a better life for the developer community. Sadly, last times seems like every thing Borland will give to developers must have a direct ROI. I understand that come in love to inverstors, but i dont think will guarnatee love from developers, like in tha past was. Now i see clearly, if Starteam have thse ames features, borland never will release a free option to a puyed one, and that have sense. I will continue using CVS and Bugzilla for quality improve. Anyway the time show us many times even a tool like QC can not guarantee a good product release. Donald. |
Lauchlan M
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-16 09:04:48 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?QuoteIMHO have no sense use it if Borland want a fee from dveelopers for use efforts pretty much on his own time (i.e. in addition to his existing duties). While John now has, I believe, some additional funding to hire some more people to outsource some of the work, I doubt he can keep on piling on the workload for this initiative without also ramping up the funding. Now, Borland could ramp up the funding for a free service, and you seem to suggest they should, but what is far more likely to 'fly' is an arrangement where the initiative funds itself, and maybe brings in some small extra income to fund further similar projects. And, in my opinion, if the putative customers want the service for free but are not willing to pay for it, it does not necessarily make sense (from a business point of view) to provide it. it is a lot of effort for very little return - there are other ways to work on developer relations, e.g. by producing more Camtasia articles and improving the Delphi 2006 documentation. By charging for the QC service you suggest, Borland will be (i) obligated to take it seriously and provide a professional product/service (ii) attract a class of customer that takes the product/service seriously and values it. And if no-one buys it, they can simply discontinue it, citing lack of demand. Lauchlan M |
Donald Shimoda
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-16 09:27:26 PM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Lauchlan M writes:
QuoteAnd, in my opinion, if the putative customers want the service for Just my .2 cents. -- |
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-16 09:58:48 PM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Simon writes:
QuoteNo, here is why... Craig Stuntz [TeamB] ?Vertex Systems Corp. ?Columbus, OH Delphi/InterBase Weblog : blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz How to ask questions the smart way: www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2006-01-17 01:49:38 AM
Re:Are you using QualityCentral yet?
Simon writes:
QuoteNo, here is why... -- John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |