Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Craig Stuntz [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

2005-09-14 01:08:38 AM
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Ingvar Nilsen writes:

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While Craig is using the word "confusing", I am sure he and Rudy & al
mean "provoking".
Actually, no, I meant precisely what I said. TeamB means something

specific in relation to these newsgroups. "TeamA" does not. I know that
as someone who has been around these groups for quite a long time it
can be hard to put yourself in the shoes of a brand new user, but
that's the basis behind John Frazier's (he's the newsgroup
administrator at Borland) request.
This request does not come from me, nor Rudy. We are the messengers.
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Brion L. Webster

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 01:11:15 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Brian Moelk writes:

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In all fairness, the interview was published on the Java Pro website,
so it is bound to have a Java slant. They also mentioned .NET in there
as well.
I saw it as ftpPro - is that a Java site? It was under the Java section,

though. that is why I added the followup that the article was hardly
JBuilder marketing.
-Brion

Thomas Miller

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 01:14:18 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Maybe he was self analyzing!
Eric Grange writes:

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>So, the developer is only as good as the team?

Maybe it was meant to say that a developper is only as good as
it team allows him to be, but then, that is more a management
issue that a tools issue.

Eric
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Alvaro GP [TeamA]

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 01:17:57 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Craig Stuntz [TeamB] writes:

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Alvaro, stop using that tag now. This request comes directly from the
newsgroup administrator. You can ask him yourself if you don't believe
me.
Sorry but I think I am fully respecting the newsgroup rules. If I'm

wrong, please let me know.

Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 01:25:46 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

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I saw it as ftpPro - is that a Java site?
FTP is Fawcette Technical Publications; they have a handful of magazines.

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It was under the Java section,
though.
Yes, in their Java Pro magazine.

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That's why I added the followup that the article was hardly
JBuilder marketing.
Yeah, I can agree with that point to some degree. I think they've pretty

much written off JBuilder non-Peleton revenue.

Ingvar Nilsen

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 02:00:48 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Alvaro GP [TeamA] writes:

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Craig Stuntz [TeamB] writes:
>Also, please take the "TeamA" out of your name line. That is
>confusing to people who are new to the newsgroup.

I wonder why. People who are new to the newsgroup will be equally
confused at "TeamB" than at "TeamA". I have read the newsgroup
guidelines and I couldn't find anything that prohibits it.
I must admit I had to laugh when I first saw it, so obvious and still

not seen around here before now.
While Craig is using the word "confusing", I am sure he and Rudy & al
mean "provoking". If you give it a thought, Alvoro, you sure understand
it can be provoking, just think about Plan A vs Plan B, as if TeamB is
secondary to TeamA. If I were you, I'd not use it.
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Abdullah Kauchali

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 02:04:13 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Thomas Miller writes:

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Maybe he was self analyzing!
Who me?

Abdullah Kauchali

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 02:06:56 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Eric Grange writes:

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Maybe it was meant to say that a developper is only as good as
it team allows him to be, but then, that is more a management
issue that a tools issue.
Exactly.

Scott Roberts

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 03:31:18 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

"Craig Stuntz [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM [a.k.a. acm.org]>wrote
in message news:43270796$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...

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Ingvar Nilsen writes:

>While Craig is using the word "confusing", I am sure he and Rudy & al
>mean "provoking".

Actually, no, I meant precisely what I said.
Fine, then I will say it. it is not only "confusing" and "provoking", it is also

immature and childish. I will admit that I have less than a healthy dose of
respect for the way some of the "TeamB" members represent themselves here in
non-tech (Craig certainly excepted), but that doesn't negate their
importance to the tech groups and their much appreciated contributions
there. Attempting to marginalize the entire group because you don't like a
couple of it is members is very unprofessional.

David Intersimone "David I

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 03:46:22 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

"Brion L. Webster" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

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bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,33302,00.html

The message *I* get is ALM is all about Java, and Borland's all about ALM.
Whether or not it is the right message, it is the message *I* get.
I am told that in the interview, Scott and Rick talked a lot about Delphi

too. But since this was going to appear in the FTPonline Java area, the
editor cut out all that was not Java. So I wouldn't read anything into
what's not there.
We've approached FTPonline editors to do a Delphi/Windows focused interview
as a follow up.
David I - Borland

Jan Derk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 04:02:08 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

David Intersimone "David I writes:

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I am told that in the interview, Scott and Rick talked a lot about
Delphi too. But since this was going to appear in the FTPonline Java
area, the editor cut out all that was not Java.
Would it be a good idea to post the things they said about Delphi on

BDN?
Jan Derk

Brion L. Webster

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 04:04:01 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

David Intersimone "David I writes:

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I am told that in the interview, Scott and Rick talked a lot about Delphi
too. But since this was going to appear in the FTPonline Java area, the
editor cut out all that was not Java. So I wouldn't read anything into
what's not there.

We've approached FTPonline editors to do a Delphi/Windows focused
interview as a follow up.

David I - Borland
Thanks, David. Ah, Editors. Where would we be without them?

-Brion

Thomas Miller

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 06:55:06 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

No Scott. Maybe the Delphi development team is only as good as
the management around them! :-)
Abdullah Kauchali writes:

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Thomas Miller writes:

>Maybe he was self analyzing!

Who me?
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rambam

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 07:09:47 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

"IanH" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:

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>Scott mentions: "For a long time we were an IDE company, and I think
>our focus on the developer has aged. What we've grown up into is a
>view that developers are only as good as the teams around them.
Did he run this past the PR people and the lawyers?
Amazing that he was able to get this statment out in less than a year.

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JED

Delphi Developer

2005-09-14 07:36:45 AM

Re: Borland interview on ALM - why am I not surprised?

Brion L. Webster writes:

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Ah, Editors. Where would we be without them?
more informed?

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