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Ingvar Nilsen
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Ingvar Nilsen
Delphi Developer |
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V22005-05-15 09:50:27 AM delphi12 Chris Burrows writes: QuoteIt's like waiting to buy the ideal PC. -- Ingvar Nilsen www.ingvarius.com |
Captain Jake
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 11:26:07 AM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
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Oliver Townshend
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 11:29:56 AM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2QuoteI'm trying to figure out how to interpret that statement in a positive Oliver |
Abdullah Kauchali
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 02:42:48 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
Ingvar Nilsen writes:
QuoteChris Burrows writes: Like it has for Win32, COM/ATL and OLEDB, the framework will *always* be supported (bug-fixed etc) on different Windows OS's, but no *new* framework concepts are to expected from it. Legacy. |
Lauchlan M
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 02:53:21 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2Quote>I'm trying to figure out how to interpret that statement in a positive I'm not sure I agree with Marc on this one though. The picture I get is that winforms and the next-best-thing with avalon and xaml are not going to be compatable. MS are not going to get rid of WinForms, but its not going to be the latest/greatest way forward, from Longhorn on. Winforms is just going to be there for backward compatibility. But since Marc is presumably much better informed than me on MS products and plans through his involvement with MS betas and partner programs, some links to some MS roadmap articles stating any alternative view/direction for the future of winforms would be handy/educational for me. Lauchlan Mackinnon |
Joanna Carter (TeamB)
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 04:40:27 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
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Abdullah Kauchali
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 05:10:09 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
borland writes:
QuoteHowever XAML seems to offer much more. I've been fooling around with the very same possibilities with my current Delphi project: 1) Separation of control layout semantics from ... 2) User Action Semantics (~events) While I am not really interested in the full spectrum of the event-based architecture of VCL, I /am/ interested in the non-reducible action semantics of a typical database application. Specifically, the one we are doing. From there, I have been able to create a custom UI markup definition (in XML format) that contains UI control data as well as Object Pascal syntax with the aid of JVCL's JvInterpreter components. So, based on a sort of renderer, I read the UI markup to produce the final form and then hook the events with the aid of JvInterpreter. What I have never tried is the possiblity of using the DFM layout as the layout manager. (I never thought that was possible! LOL.) So, I would appreciate any good examples on using DFM to load a form at runtime. |
Markus Rautenberg
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 05:53:54 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2QuoteIgnorance is Strength. It never happend to me that I had to watch a Delphi form redraw its components no matter how complex the design is, with WinForms I can - even with simpler designs. (Yes, I know. This never happens on your computer, blabla, but that is an answer _my_ customers won't accept) Thus I am happy that I have a choice as Delphi developer. I don't have to promote .NET or pretend that WinForms is a state of the art technology with a future for whatever reasons. I am sure MS won't ditch their SlowForms completely, but I am convinced that it'll be sooner a legacy than some .NET evangelists predict for Win32 apps. |
marc hoffman
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 06:18:30 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
Lauchlan,
QuoteIt sounded to me as if the phrase and sentiment Marc was aiming for might |
siegfriedn
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 06:32:51 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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siegfriedn
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 06:37:04 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
Günther Schoch writes:
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support Avalon if there is a demand for it - but that is many many years from now.. siegs |
Kostas Terzides
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 06:46:09 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
There is something that bothers me. Existing Delphi applications IMO are
easy to reverse engineer (at least extract the DFM portion of EXE). And I certainly hate others being able to easily see object Button1:TButton ..... OnClick=Button1Click end I know that decoupling real code from UI design adds tremendous flexibility in application design. I also am aware, that there are ways of protecting critical (from security aspect) parts of your code. However, it really annoys me if anyone (and I don't just mean crackers, but competitors in particular) is able to just open a XML file at have a look at how I implemented "action semantics". At first, it was VCL, then Reflection and now comes XAML. All these are wonderful, but I think we all should keep in mind the there is always the dark side of the moon. |
siegfriedn
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 06:49:54 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
Abdullah Kauchali writes:
.. effectively stopped *enhancing* the WinForms architecture. QuoteLike it has for Win32, of the win32 source 'as is'? since dotNet currently runs on Win32, it would be strange if Ms are not currently improving it too? Then again anything M$ announces or produces can considered legacy, the way they keep on changing everthing every few years or less. I do not want to be a slave of that! Thank goodness for Delphi and Kylix. siegs |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 06:54:28 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
At 12:49:54, 15.05.2005, siegfriedn writes:
QuoteAbdullah Kauchali writes: integers have the same size, or at least have a specific size, and then test very thoroughly what happens if you correct the code that did that. -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "The only rules comedy can tolerate are those of taste, and the only limitations those of libel." -- James Thurber (1894-1961) |
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-05-15 06:59:06 PM
Re: Avalon + Delphi + .NET V2
At 12:46:09, 15.05.2005, Kostas Terzides writes:
QuoteThere is something that bothers me. Existing Delphi applications IMO -- Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] "I've always wanted to be somebody, but I should have been more specific." -- George Carlin |