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John Kaster (Borland)
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John Kaster (Borland)
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Re: Note to Borland...2005-12-13 04:18:35 AM delphi262 Brion L. Webster writes: QuoteIt's a somewhat specific situation - and not Borland's fault. of a batch file, but I do occasionally install using UNC. -- John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Liz
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 04:33:46 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
Brion L. Webster writes:
QuoteIt may be worked around in VMWare 5, or MSI Installer 3.1, but -- Liz the Brit Delphi things I have released: www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings |
Ralf Mimoun
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 06:59:16 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
John Kaster (Borland) writes:
... QuoteMS charges extra (a couple hundred US$, IIRC) for MSDN on CD. unbelieveable. _Please_ don't get me wrong! I know that MS does not need to make money with ther dev tools, it is their strategy to sell OS and BackOffice and server licenses. Ralf |
Ryan McGinty
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 07:55:27 PM
Re: Note to Borland...
Microsoft is fine with saying, "here is our stuff - use it our way or else."
Borland doesn't have that luxury. They are often in an uphill battle against Microsoft tools anyway, so whatever they can do to please the bulk of the people is the thing they are going to do. I'd like a DVD, but from the number of "will BDS 2006 run on my old laptop or do I need to upgrade" threads, it seems a bunch of people still don't have DVD drives. Bottom line is that I can make a DVD from my CDs, but I can not make CDs from a DVD. Ryan QuoteFrankly said, I simply don't know why Borland does not include a DVD. |
Lord Crc
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 07:57:19 PM
Re: Note to Borland...
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:34:00 +0100, "Ralf Mimoun" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
writes: QuoteOh, come on. That is not rocket science, and is no problem to write one against it. To me that says it is not a trivial amount of money we're talking about here. - Asbjørn |
Ralf Mimoun
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 08:44:01 PM
Re: Note to Borland...
Lord Crc writes:
QuoteOn Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:34:00 +0100, "Ralf Mimoun" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM> installation procedure. IIRC, the preview version was on DVD, so most testing should be done before. Frankly said, I simply don't know why Borland does not include a DVD. MSDN is DVD only, and I haven't heard any complaints. I am sure that Borland has reason to deliver CDs only, and I am not that interested in the "why" question. I jsut want them to know that I'd really like to get a DVD, and that I see good reasons to do that. that is all. Ralf |
Ingvar Nilsen
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 08:52:47 PM
Re: Note to Borland...
Lord Crc writes:
QuoteMy point is that it costs money, QuoteTo me that says it is not a trivial amount of money we're -- Ingvar Nilsen www.ingvarius.com |
Sean Hoffman
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 09:27:56 PM
Re: Note to Borland...
Ralf Mimoun writes:
Quote
feed the machine DVDs. |
Ralf Mimoun
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-13 09:43:13 PM
Re: Note to Borland...
Ryan McGinty writes:
QuoteMicrosoft is fine with saying, "here is our stuff - use it our way or QuoteBorland doesn't have that luxury. They are often in an uphill QuoteI'd like a DVD, but from the number of "will BDS 2006 run on my old online, on DVD and on CD. Or on a USB memory stick (I like that way to distribute software). Who knows? Ralf |
Lord Crc
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-14 06:15:19 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:52:47 +0100, Ingvar Nilsen
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes: QuoteWe are not paying a "trivial amount of money" for the stuff either, at - Asbjørn |
Ryan McGinty
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-14 06:19:57 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
I'm afraid I am missing your point. I was saying that Microsoft doesn't
care if they tick off people that only own CD-ROMs because they are Microsoft. They are constantly doing things that tick people off (like dumping VB(Visual Basic) developers, making XP not install on < 700 mhz PCs, etc), but they are Microsoft - you go with it or you don't, but they don't lose sleep if you don't. Ryan Quote>Microsoft is fine with saying, "here is our stuff - use it our way or |
Jon Robertson
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-14 06:20:23 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
John Kaster (Borland) writes:
QuoteMS charges extra (a couple hundred US$, IIRC) for MSDN on CD. Visual Studio 2005 Team System for Developers, I started getting DVDs for everything. For many products, I get two DVDs. One of the DVDs has the ISO images for the CDs. ;) Of course, /someone/ still have to have a DVD reader to extract/burn the ISOs. -- Jon Robertson Borland Certified Advanced Delphi 7 Developer MedEvolve, Inc www.medevolve.com |
Jon Robertson
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-14 06:26:41 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
John Jacobson writes:
QuoteI seem to recall that you can not usually install Borland products from file server for easy installation. The irritating thing for me is that if I burn the install to a DVD, now the installer realizes that I am using removable media and prompts me to insert CD #2, even though everything is on the DVD! I wish the installer used a different mechanism to determine if a disc change was necessary. Way back when I wrote my first installer, I just checked for files named disc.01, disc.02, etc in the root directory of the installer. If the file wasn't there, then I prompted for a disc changed. Worked great when going from 5.25s to 3.5s to CDs. It should still work great for DVDs! ;) -- Jon Robertson Borland Certified Advanced Delphi 7 Developer MedEvolve, Inc www.medevolve.com |
Jon Robertson
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-14 06:28:07 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
Brion L. Webster writes:
QuoteMapping drive letters solves all sorts of things. installer still uses *batch* files and batch files require a drive letter. Man, talk about Microsoft needing to embrace their own technology... -- Jon Robertson Borland Certified Advanced Delphi 7 Developer MedEvolve, Inc www.medevolve.com |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2005-12-14 06:58:01 AM
Re: Note to Borland...
Jon Robertson writes:
QuoteActually, I don't believe it is an option anymore. John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |