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Ingvar Nilsen
Delphi Developer |
Ingvar Nilsen
Delphi Developer |
Re: Win32 vs. .NET2004-08-24 02:45:38 PM delphi216 Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes: QuoteThey are telling everyone that will listen or read Danny's blog. Ingvar Nilsen |
Ingvar Nilsen
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 02:47:24 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Alvaro GP writes:
Quote2. Since .NET's birth, some years ago, I have seen much hype, but few Ingvar Nilsen |
Kristofer Skaug
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 03:59:18 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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added almost zero new value to the core IDE, the language, and the core RTL/VCL libraries, and have been just barely enough to keep the D/W32 community from suffocating in its own howls of starvation. -- Kristofer |
Kristofer Skaug
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 04:33:32 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Captain Jake writes:
QuoteBut Borland would have to support .NET or they would lose Bleeding edge developers ("we didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition") got bored with .NET some 3 years ago and moved on to more esoteric stuff. They, and the Media, got tired of trying to drag along the 500 million tonnes train known as the Win32 developer community. There simply wasn't enough "juice" available in the .NET loco(pro)motive engine to do this. This is why .NET (with the possible exception of ASP.Net), at least in its current form, is DOA: Neither the runtime nor the development environment promises a stable platform on which to base business for the years to come. Certainly not on a scale comparable to the 10 years of surprisingly stable Win32 that we've been privileged to enjoy. Some of us are nearly now at a point where we'd consider switching tracks, if only out of need for a refreshing change after 10 years of Win32. But as we look around, along with the 4-year-old (and not uncontroversial, I might add) .NET paradigm, we see freshly painted road signs leading to native 64-bit computing, and our friends in Redmond are already jumping up and down with e{*word*277}ment over Longhorn (which, 'tis true, won't be here for another 4 years, but hey, you should definitely be ready to develop for it today! <g>). Borland needs to continuously take some risks following development trends. So, then, just as we saw Delphi 6 and Delphi 7 being "Delphi with cross-platform support for Linux", Delphi 8 and D9 being "Delphi with support for .NET", I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if .NET support will be just as absent from D10 as Kylix/CLX support is absent in D8. :-) - now replaced by the latest+greatest from Redmond. Just fine, as long as we can continue using Delphi to create Win32 apps! <g> I do hope, however, that Borland has learned from the Kylix and .Net mess they've run into, and will remember to stay loyal to the core Delphi product and not bet all of their R&D resources on some hype technology that their customers are unwilling to buy into. -- Kristofer |
Kristofer Skaug
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 04:58:34 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Ingvar Nilsen writes:
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Like I said, ASP.NET may continue on its own momentum (as being better than anything else currently available). But in the current climate, the baseline .NET framework needs major promotional boosts to convincingly re-assert itself as "solid partner for the future". What with Microsoft being all infatuated with the Longhorn future, however, I see little chance of such support now appearing. -- Kristofer |
Lauchlan M
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 05:25:30 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NETQuote>2. Since .NET's birth, some years ago, I have seen much hype, but few test of .NET's relevance as a software development platform is IMO how it competes on the desktop, on the server, and in distributed applications. That MS have made an ASP mark II that is better than the original is neither here nor there. It's not like you can not do web development without ASP.NET. You can do it with Delphi for Win 32 (IntraWeb, Express Web Frameworks) or you could use a raft of other excellent web development environment products out there. Lauchlan M |
Lauchlan M
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 05:29:27 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NETQuoteBorland needs to continuously take some risks following development forge something unique that no-one else is. I guess the Application Life Cycle stuff is a good stab along these lines, but they need to do more. Lauchlan M |
Ingvar Nilsen
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 05:50:37 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Kristofer Skaug writes:
QuoteThis is why .NET (with the possible exception of ASP.Net), at least Ingvar Nilsen |
Ingvar Nilsen
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 07:45:16 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Lauchlan M writes:
Quote>You seem to forget ASP.Net. an airplane with a car. QuoteIt's not like you can not do web development without ASP.NET. QuoteYou can do it with Delphi for Win 32 (IntraWeb, Express Web about it <g>. The former poster however claimed that .Net apps were rare, which might be the case when you overlook ASP.Net. There are already many web apps based on ASP.Net. Which was my point. -- Ingvar Nilsen |
Andrea Raimondi
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 08:01:40 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
John Kaster (Borland) writes:
QuoteFurthermore, the blog server is still in beta and has not been blog as well? Just curious :-) Andrew |
Kirk Halgren
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 10:26:39 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
"Alvaro GP" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
QuoteHi everybody, separately. Of course, Mr. Bill and his minions pleaded with the court that they just can't figure out how to package code into modules. Right. Then they call this innovative. Kirk Halgren "A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation." -- H. H. Munro ("Saki") |
Nick Hodges [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 10:40:43 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Kristofer Skaug writes:
QuoteThis is why .NET (with the possible exception of ASP.Net), at least in -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- www.lemanix.com/nick |
Nick Hodges [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 10:55:15 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
Ingvar Nilsen writes:
QuoteThere are already many web apps Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- www.lemanix.com/nick |
Lee
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 11:30:56 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NET
From what I have been reading in the NG's, win32 is here to stay for a
while and that is fine by me and that is good news for me. I switched to Dephi a few years ago (from VB) because I wasn't interested in .net at all and I wanted a dev environment that would be actively improved. Delphi Win32 was such an improvement over VB(Visual Basic) (6) in terms of IDE (much more elegant), language (Pascal; I seem to like it better), OO design, threading, stand alone exe's, more affordable 3rd party market (with source, I might add)....must I go on? I am most have tried or worked in VB before, but I think there is a certain perspective you get when coming from MS only product (Access,VB) to Delphi, the law of contrast is strong here. I don't blame Borland for going .net, seems like a good business decision to me and with what I have been hearing about D9, I feel a bit comforted that Borland knows how important win32 is to them (and their customers) for a while to come. After years of watching flame wars on MS NG's with Delphi zealots, I tried Delphi, then made the jump. I am rooting for Borland to not leave me standing in the wind. -- Warm Regards, Lee |
Lauchlan M
Delphi Developer |
2004-08-24 11:44:36 PM
Re: Win32 vs. .NETQuoteAbsolutely - one can even write a proprietary system like I did 3 years happily concede ASP.NET produces viable asp.net web applications. The question is what is being accomplished for .net desktop/server applications, both in the development sense and in the sense of what is commercially viable (ie are people put off by the download). Lauchlan M |