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Brad White
Delphi Developer |
Re: Weird2006-03-30 10:53:59 PM delphi146 " Tom Corey" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes QuoteChris Burrows writes: Thanks, Brad. |
Brad White
Delphi Developer |
Re: Weird2006-03-30 10:53:59 PM delphi146 " Tom Corey" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes QuoteChris Burrows writes: Thanks, Brad. |
Jolyon Smith
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 07:58:48 AM
Re: Weird
In article <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says... QuoteThank goodness for .NET and verifiable code, so that we can leave this all How precisely does .Net verify that code does not contain bugs? Instability doesn't have to mean access-violations. Wrapping code inside a protective shell will not prevent that code from being written incorrectly and causing unintended side-effects or consequences. (and you assume that your idealised IDE is a 100% managed IDE that only permits installation of 100% managed components) Your statement reminds me of the people that believed that COM signalled the end of "DLL Hell" or that the Unrecoverable Application Error was made history with the advent of the General Protection Fault. Oh how we wish it were true, but alas, reality bites. :D QuoteMy original challenge was in response ;) If you had challenged the view that IDE instability was ALWAYS the fault of components, then you might have a leg to stand on. But the observation was that "A lot" of problems. Not even "most problems". Just "a lot". Which is an undeniable truth. -- Jolyon Smith |
Jolyon Smith
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 08:09:08 AM
Re: Weird
In article <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says... Quote1. Somebody reports an serious, elusive, apparently random problem with the the -possibility- of a common component in use. A question which afaik hasn't, as yet, been answered, so nothing is ruled in or out either way. fwiw - I was initially tempted to finally upgrade from my beloved and highly stable Delphi 7 by the wide reports of general BDS 2006 gorgeousness, but the subsequent reports of significant problems with the IDE (yes, honest to goodness bugs! <gasp!>) makes me kinda glad that I kept my money in my pocket) :D Quote3. My response (based on 11 years daily Delphi use and more than 2 years Have you found a way to reliably reproduce the reported D6/D7 bug in BDS using nothing but out-of-the-box components and can now reproduce that BDS bug in Delphi 6 and D7..... ;) -- Jolyon Smith |
Chris Burrows
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 08:16:52 AM
Re: Weird
" Tom Corey" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
QuoteTom Corey writes: zones. Hope you recover soon! This thread has become somewhat detached anyway - this is my summary of what led to my responses: 1. Somebody reports an serious, elusive, apparently random problem with the IDE. 2. Amongst the usual claims that he must be a troll, there is usually a chorus of 'probably the fault of 3rd-party components' 3. My response (based on 11 years daily Delphi use and more than 2 years of BDS instability with minimal use of third party components) is prove it! |
Chris Burrows
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 08:29:01 AM
Re: Weird
"Brad White" <bwhite at inebraska.com>writes
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QuoteB) Yes. They have already given us the tools to do it. By using FastMM QuoteAnd before you start saying the Borland should be the ones doing this, to the statement "A lot of problems blamed on IDE stability are actually caused by components, especially third-party components." I dispute that. |
Jolyon Smith
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 09:25:46 AM
Re: Weird
In article <442c7f8b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says... Quote"Jolyon Smith" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes> It's no excuse really, but it is been a long day, and it is only 1/2 over! <sigh> -- Jolyon Smith |
Chris Burrows
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 09:38:48 AM
Re: Weird
"Jolyon Smith" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
QuoteIn article <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, XXXX@XXXXX.COM |
Chris Burrows
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 10:02:03 AM
Re: Weird
"Jolyon Smith" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes>
QuoteWhat you missed out was then then a specific instability example was Quote
haven't had the stability problems that I had with Delphi 8 and BDS2005, but then I only use BDS2006 for Win32 development and have disabled all of the suspect stuff (Together, 'trainer wheels' etc. etc.) Quote
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Jim Cooper
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 03:22:43 PM
Re: WeirdQuoteThank goodness for .NET and verifiable code QuoteFortunately, unlike others, mine are mostly when shutting down the BDS. Jim Cooper _____________________________________________ Jim Cooper XXXX@XXXXX.COM Skype : jim.cooper Tabdee Ltd www.tabdee.ltd.uk TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm _____________________________________________ |
Chris Burrows
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 08:49:05 PM
Re: Weird
"Jim Cooper" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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help you to verify type-safety, the garbage collector etc. will go a long way towards helping to prevent or otherwise trap and analyse some of those obscure and elusive runtime problems that are prevalent in Win32.. |
Jim Cooper
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 09:20:47 PM
Re: WeirdQuotewill go a long way Cheers, Jim Cooper _____________________________________________ Jim Cooper XXXX@XXXXX.COM Skype : jim.cooper Tabdee Ltd www.tabdee.ltd.uk TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm _____________________________________________ |
Tom Corey
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 10:24:48 PM
Re: Weird
Jolyon Smith writes:
QuoteNo worries, I should apologise also when they remove the temporary cast and put on the permanent one to scratch my ankle. I.Can.Hardly.Wait. |
Bill Mogk
Delphi Developer |
2006-03-31 11:51:14 PM
Re: Weird
Tom Corey writes:
QuoteJolyon Smith writes: I went to the fracture clinic to get the damn thing removed, and the doc said, "better get this X-rayed just to be safe". I hobbled down to to the XRay room. While I was waiting, I gave my ankle a good scratch and bent my leg and and ankle under the chair - boy, it was the greatest feeling on earth. Got the X-ray, went back up stairs, the doc look at the X-Ray and said, "Hmm, we should put another case on for a couple of weeks". I was devastated. Bill |
Bill Mogk
Delphi Developer |
2006-04-01 12:47:34 AM
Re: Weird
Rick Carter writes:
Quote>the doc look at the X-Ray and said, "Hmm, we Quotedowned that case? Quote
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Tom Corey
Delphi Developer |
2006-04-01 01:10:50 AM
Re: Weird
Bill Mogk writes:
QuoteI had a cast on for about six weeks several years ago. My wife swaid complaints :) QuoteI went to the fracture clinic to get the damn thing removed, and the QuoteGot the X-ray, went back up stairs, hours on it to get back to civilization, I guess), but I suspect the break is pretty minor. It sure looked that way on the preliminary x-rays. |