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Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now


2005-02-02 12:14:58 AM
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[..] That is exactly what I did.
...in a nonsensical fashion.
World PC replacement rates aren't significative, unless you
sell your products to the world (which NO ONE does,
they all sell to a much smaller subset of the world, who has
different dynamics, and thanks to technologies like Terminal
Services, means that replacement rate and platform usage
do not necessarily match).
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If you have any actual facts to present, please do.
Fact: most of the world's CPUs are 8 and 16 bit, and the proportion
of less than 32 bit CPUs is still growing.
Why, following your logic, doesn't Borland focus exclusively
on these? They should be working night and day to serve those
CPUs, since they have the largest installed base.
Eric
 
 

Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

"Eric Grange" wrote
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Fact: most of the world's CPUs are 8 and 16 bit, and the
proportion of less than 32 bit CPUs is still growing.
Why, following your logic, doesn't Borland focus exclusively
on these?
Just guessing, But I would suppose it is because most of these are embedded and
not running windows. Don't believe Delphi has much market share in that area
AFAIK.
bobD
 

Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

Eric Grange writes:
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Fact: most of the world's CPUs are 8 and 16 bit, and the
proportion of less than 32 bit CPUs is still growing.
Why, following your logic, doesn't Borland focus exclusively
on these? They should be working night and day to serve those
CPUs, since they have the largest installed base.
Because there isn't a Windows (win32 or Win64) that runs on 8 or
16-bit chips? Let's face it, Delphi is a Win32 compiler at this
point.
On the other hand, a non-GUI Pascal/Delphi language compiler might
be quite profitable for those embedded chips running their niche
operating systems. Much like CBX was supposed to be, single code,
multiple compilers, or MobileSet. How many people would switch
from their existing tools to a Delphi based solution? How many
current Delphi users would embark on a totally different platform
than Windows?
-Brion
 

Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

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Just guessing, But I would suppose it is because most of these are embedded and
not running windows. Don't believe Delphi has much market share in that area
AFAIK.
Yep, exactly, reasonning on global figures has pitfalls,
because unrelated stuff gets amalgamated.
Eric
 

Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

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On the other hand, a non-GUI Pascal/Delphi language compiler might
be quite profitable for those embedded chips running their niche
operating systems.
Not necessarily, in that market, there are relatively few people,
developping relatively few applications, but that get deployed/used
zillions of times (quite different from the desktop world, where
there are many developers, deploying a lot of apps that are often
deployed to few machines, sometimes only one).
Eric
 

Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

Eric Grange writes:
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>Just guessing, But I would suppose it is because most of these are
>embedded and not running windows. Don't believe Delphi has much
>market share in that area AFAIK.

Yep, exactly, reasonning on global figures has pitfalls,
because unrelated stuff gets amalgamated.
True. So the actual numbers of sold Windows PCs should probably be a
bit lower than the number of PCs, and the number of sold Win64 PCs even
below that. Not sure if that is an argument PRO a 64 bit version. <g>
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Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

Eric Grange writes:
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>On the other hand, a non-GUI Pascal/Delphi language compiler
>might be quite profitable for those embedded chips running
>their niche operating systems.

Not necessarily, in that market, there are relatively few people,
developping relatively few applications, but that get
deployed/used zillions of times (quite different from the desktop
world, where there are many developers, deploying a lot of apps
that are often deployed to few machines, sometimes only one).
Doesn't that further dilute the value of your fact, then? I don't
understand, were you trying to bring up irrelevant issues? As
sarcasm? I am all for constructive dialog, but I don't see how this
one fits.
-Brion
 

Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

I will rebut you just to save face. How many of you feel a
200 million person captive audience is worth selling to?
Please everyone raise your hand. If you didn't raise your
hand then you must have done the same doctoral work that
Captain Jake did.
Per your data in 2007, and the road maps from both Intel and
AMD, there will be nothing but x64 bit processor being
shipped and that number should be over 200 million. We all
can agree on that? Continuing to assume the numbers are
right, by 2010, there will be over 750 million x64 machines
to sell my software too! That is fantastic news. I am even
more excited about our future with 64bit native compiled
programs.
Secondly, our focus here was big business. I don't know one
that keeps a PC on a power users desk for more then 24
months and retires all of them within 4 years. I would
suspect a large successful corporation doesn't have any
computers that are older then 3 years on anyones desk.
Now I live here in Washington DC and I can go into almost
any government building or non profit and find several 486
in use.
Gee whiz, I will only have 200 million pc to target in 2007.
I guess I will just close up shop now.
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Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

"Thomas Miller" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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I will rebut you just to save face. How many of you feel a
200 million person captive audience is worth selling to?

Don't bother.
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Please everyone raise your hand. If you didn't raise your
hand then you must have done the same doctoral work that
Captain Jake did.

Nicely done.
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Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

The implication is that they should be working on it right
now so it is ready for D2007. This isn't a drop everything
else request. Stop acting like it is!
Captain Jake writes:
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Eric Grange <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
<41ff4bc1$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>

That is exactly what I
did. I found that replacement rates appear to be around 20% a year.


No they don't. What is the average mileage driven by a
vehicle each year? Lets say 18,000 (just to have a number
to work with). Now if my target market is truckers, what
does 18,000 have to do with my customer base. Nothing!!!!
Find number that don't apply and us them as fact. Some one
had a nice example of this in the news group.
Real Question:
What percentage of computer users are considered power
users? What is the actual number?
If there are 2.5 billion users out there, and only 10% are
considered power users (I bet it is closer to 15%), but we
need a reasonable number, that makes 250,000 million users
for me to target by the beginning of 2007 as a minimum.
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Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

Brion L. Webster writes:
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Eric Grange writes:


>>On the other hand, a non-GUI Pascal/Delphi language compiler
>>might be quite profitable for those embedded chips running
>>their niche operating systems.
>
>Not necessarily, in that market, there are relatively few people,
>developping relatively few applications, but that get
>deployed/used zillions of times (quite different from the desktop
>world, where there are many developers, deploying a lot of apps
>that are often deployed to few machines, sometimes only one).


Doesn't that further dilute the value of your fact, then? I don't
understand, were you trying to bring up irrelevant issues? As
sarcasm? I am all for constructive dialog, but I don't see how this
one fits.

-Brion
I think he is trying to point out that his example is just
as relevant is Mr. Jake's. And I agree with Eric's point.
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Thomas Miller writes:
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Please everyone raise your hand. If you didn't raise your hand then
you must have done the same doctoral work that Captain Jake did.
More ad hominem attacks in place of real arguments.
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Dennis Landi writes:
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Nicely done.
More ad hominem attacks in place of arguments.
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Re: D64, or Why Borland Ought to NOT Work on a 64-bit VersionofDelphiRight Now

Just replying in kind.
Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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Thomas Miller writes:


>Please everyone raise your hand. If you didn't raise your hand then
>you must have done the same doctoral work that Captain Jake did.


More ad hominem attacks in place of real arguments.

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Thomas Miller writes:
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Just replying in kind.
Uh huh.
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