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2005-03-13 11:08:48 PM
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Lauchlan M writes:
really took off and became widely used in industry.
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Lauchlan M writes:
Windows in '81 and it was announced in '83. The first Mac came out in '84.
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Lauchlan M
 

Lauchlan M
 

I was never really aware of Windows 1 or 2. Do you have a link to
screenshots of the GUI?
had most of the GUI features of the Mac, IIRC.
applemuseum.bott.org/sections/history.html
But how many people used Windows 1 or 2? (genuine question, I just don't
know. Was there a big takeup?)
Lauchlan M
 

as an example.
Lauchlan M
 

Wayne Niddery [TeamB] writes:
- 1979 : Lisa and Mac projects started.
- 1981 : Windows started (according to you, probably right)
- 1983 : Lisa introduced.
- 1984 : Mac introduced.
- 1985 : Windows 1.0 introduced.
- 1987 : Windows 2.0 introduced.
- 1990 : Windows 3.0 introduced.
And have you even seen Windows 1.0 and 2.0? They were jokes that even MS
people laugh these days. Screenshot gives you some sample :
www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/guidebook/interfaces/windows/win10/win101
E.g. the windows couldn't overlap each other. Hello? It could very well
be argued that MS got to the level of first Mac with Windows 95. Over
*10 years* later!!!
You probably know your Windows, but please find out the facts before
writing about the other environments and give credit to those who earn it.
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Wayne Niddery [TeamB] writes:
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"David Smith" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_GUI
applemuseum.bott.org/sections/gui.html
Alan Kay gave me a demo of Smalltalk on the Alto at Xerox PARC in 1973. It
had bitmapped graphics, icons, pop up menus, overlapping windows, a three
button mouse, Ethernet networking, laser printer etc. He showed me paint
programs, text editors, video games, and real time music synthesis. He sat
down at a full size organ keyboard and, as he played, full orchestral music
came out of a pair of Bose 901's and the detailed score scrolled by on the
monitor in real time. This was all from a 16 bit, 2.74Mhz computer.
And of course, Smalltalk was/is a full blown object oriented programming
language with a rich class library.
Steve Jobs got a similar demo six years later (1979) which was the starting
point for the Apple Lisa and Macintosh.
Two years later (1981), Bill Gates bought DOS from Seattle Computer
Products: members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/dos.htm
 

Michael Anonymous writes:
I can list 3 recent product innovations by Microsoft related to ".NET":
1) A new way to market
2) A new way to sell more products and services.
3) A new way to force developers to rewrite their code
thereby making their legacy code less effective and efficient.
 

Windows, we have discussed and I don't buy that one at all. Nice try.
Classing "clippy" as an 'innovation' certainly begs the question.
OLE, RTF and COM/DCOM - sure, they're all MS technologies. But whether they
were MS ideas or boil down to reflections or copies of things other people
were trying to do in the industry first is another question. I suppose I'll
provisionally accept them for now but I have substantial doubts that if one
looked into it in detail one would find the actual ideas were innovated by
MS. That is, were there competing technologies to rtf and COM/DCOM that got
to the market first, and MS's solution is simply now the better known one?
Then there are the various 'innovations' you 'listed' where you didn't
actually list any specific innovations:
* *What* 'advances in hardware for keyboards and mice' and 'improvements in
networking' are you classing as specifically MS innovations?
* "*Huge* amounts of research into usability" - I suppose you mean to imply
that this research has carried across into one or more actual tangible
products or product features, if so, what?
* Similarly for .net - apart from the marketing branding of it, *what* do
you consider to be innovative about it? Is there a particular feature or
aspect that is innovative?
Without listing specific MS innovations, you are not nominating MS
innovations, just dressing up the vague proposition 'yeah MS innovated
stuff' in some rhetorical dressing, _hinting_ that MS _may_ (or equally, may
not) have innovated without _showing_ us what it is. It certainly doesn't
help me (and I doubt anyone) understand what great innovators MS were/are.
Lauchlan M
 

www.melbpc.org.au/pcupdate/2310/2310article12.htm
" Alan Freedman's The Computer Desktop Encyclopedia says RTF is "A Microsoft
standard for encoding formatted text and graphics. It was adapted from IBM's
DCA format ....". Document Content Architecture (DCA) was developed by IBM
as an early word processor format for text documents."
Lauchlan M
 

(nobody actually used Windows 1 <g>).
remember IBM having a more sophisticated version that seemed much more
elegant (SOM??)
imagine :-)
MS uses those innovations and brings them to the masses, but to then
call MS "innovative" is misleading
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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were all WIMP-based GUIs that were commercially viable well before MS
got one to sell. They owe a debt to the Mac in particular for making the
idea popular.
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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counts over Windows) it sort of steals the thunder from MS on their
'innovation'.
No one is arguing whether or not they were commercially successful. The
issue is whether they were innovators.
Lauchlan M