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Robin
Delphi Developer |
Robin
Delphi Developer |
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?2005-10-27 10:05:19 AM delphi146 John Jacobson aka Captain Jake writes: QuoteI wonder how many people would be willing to buy a Win32 ECO-type product? -- Robin. <disclaimer>Not an expert </disclaimer> |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 05:06:32 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake writes:
QuoteIt seems that something -- John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Larry Drews
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 05:38:39 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in news:43614158$1
@newsgroups.borland.com: QuoteJohn Jacobson aka Captain Jake writes: |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 05:46:01 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
Larry Drews writes:
QuoteOffer him a fixed price contract! John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Dan Barclay
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 05:53:48 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
Closer to the truth: "You pay for what you get."
Unfortunately, on this planet you don't always get what you pay for. Dan <back into lurking mode> "John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes QuoteLarry Drews writes: |
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 06:45:26 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
<43614158$XXXX@XXXXX.COM> QuoteIt seems that you're missing about 90% of what ECO has if you think it talking about a perfect clone of ECO for Win32. I am talking about a UML design tool and object persistence framework that lets the user use UML to design his classes and objects and generates code and database metadata to embody that design. That is "something like ECO". 2) we may have different definitions of a "few weeks". I am thinking 12-16 for the basic coding of the base, to get something that lets you use UML class diagrams to construct objects that are persistent, transaction-based and can validate themselves. All the bells and whistles that ECO has? No, that takes a lot longer, but I am not entirely sure they are absolute necessities either. In any event, my idea is for something a little less comprehensive and complex, at least to start out. I have long thought it would be nice to build an OPF that integrates nicely with a UML design tool and sell it at a price spot that is good for the types of developers that buy Delphi Pro. Kind of like what Alessandro did for object remoting with RemObjects. That was a stroke of genius, and it looks like it was a good way to become independent too. -- Everything in this post is mere opinion. Posted with JSNewsreader-BETA 1.0.4.1334 |
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 06:48:54 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
Larry Drews <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM> QuoteOffer him a fixed price contract! I've often wondered why RemObjects and ModelMaker don't team up to create something like ECO for the middle range developers that buy Delphi Pro. They could clean up. -- Everything in this post is mere opinion. Posted with JSNewsreader-BETA 1.0.4.1334 |
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 06:59:10 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
<43614a99$XXXX@XXXXX.COM> QuoteBut the phrase "You get what you pay for" comes to mind. Still though, if I find I have the time*, I think I will look into what it would take to write a UML-designed OPF that can handle transactions and constraints. I bet such a thing could sell a few copies. *I'm just about done getting JSN ready for its 1.0 debut. -- Everything in this post is mere opinion. Posted with JSNewsreader-BETA 1.0.4.1334 |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 07:03:04 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake writes:
QuoteWhich is why there is no ECO for Win32 and apparently won't be? John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 07:41:10 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
<43615ca8$XXXX@XXXXX.COM> QuoteECO for Win32 is called Bold. Everything in this post is mere opinion. Posted with JSNewsreader-BETA 1.0.4.1334 |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2005-10-28 10:11:15 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake writes:
QuoteOh. I thought ECO was a lot more than that now. investment in a custom component hierarchy above the "standard" one. -- John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |
Jonas Hogstrom [Borland]
Delphi Developer |
2005-11-03 05:08:41 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
John Kaster (Borland) writes:
QuoteJohn Jacobson aka Captain Jake writes: /Jonas |
Jonas Hogstrom [Borland]
Delphi Developer |
2005-11-03 05:10:03 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
John Jacobson aka Captain Jake writes:
Quote"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes /Jonas |
Jonas Hogstrom [Borland]
Delphi Developer |
2005-11-03 05:10:38 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
Jonas Hogstrom [Borland] writes:
Quote>Is Bold still available for purchase by users of D2005 Pro? |
John Kaster (Borland)
Delphi Developer |
2005-11-03 05:27:28 AM
Re: ECO for Win32 was Re: Has Borland surpassed our expectations?
Jonas Hogstrom [Borland] writes:
Quotewe had expected it to take a John Kaster blogs.borland.com/johnk Features and bugs: qc.borland.com Get source: cc.borland.com If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com |