I just called Borland (800)331-0877 today and they said that they don't
make Turbo Profiler anymore. Actually, I called twice. The first guy
that I spoke to said that they don't make TPW 1.5 anymore, and that
scared me into calling a second time. The 2nd guy that I spoke to said
that BP7.0 DOES target both Dos & Windows. But he said that they haven't
made Turbo Profiler since early 1995. I hear that they also don't make
TurboVision anymore too.

Seriously, BP 7 includes Turbo Pascal, Borland Pascal, Turbo Profiler,
Turbo Assembler, etc. Borland used to sell the profiler as a seperate
product, so the fact that they do not offer "Turbo Profiler" should not
cause you any concern if you are planning to purchase BP 7. My
experience with the Borland sales staff has been that they frequently do
not have a clue about the products that they are selling.

As good as BP7.01 is right now, BP isn't as good as it would be if
Borland didn't discontinue upgrading it. :-(

"Patrick D. Rockwell" <prockw...@thegrid.net> wrote:

(NOT!)

Did you readed 'Undocumented DOS' by Andrew Schulman & people? They
uncovered the workings behind Windows and DOS and virtually everything
that we don't know. Maybe to discourage these people from 'blooming'
like mushrooms, Bill Gates wants to play GOD and make sure only people
from Microsoft can only dabble in DOScraft. Many years later, our
descendants will not be able to break the spells of Microsoft and
Microsoft can cover up anything that want.

Until v2.0, OS/2 is a protected mode DOS. When the PM(Windows-like
shell) was introduced into OS/2 v2.0, OS/2 people were rather e{*word*277}d
about it. In some way or another, IBM says "I give you PM as an
alternative, it's okay if you wants to use DOS. I'll contiune to support
it until everyone are converted into PM believers." Look at today, IBM
still preserved command-line and enhanced it to fully support DOS
interfaces. There's a few OS/2 DOS programmers left because all
compilers are written for PM shell. IBM let DOS phased out slowly. This
is a better strategy than Microsoft's forcibly "DOS is dead!".

We are PASCAL programmers, aren't we? If there's a simpler and better
alternative, just go for it.

Vinson Abs allegedly said:

VA> Until v2.0, OS/2 is a protected mode DOS. When the PM(Windows-like
VA> shell) was introduced into OS/2 v2.0, OS/2 people were rather e{*word*277}d
VA> about it. In some way or another, IBM says "I give you PM as an
VA> alternative, it's okay if you wants to use DOS. I'll contiune to support
VA> it until everyone are converted into PM believers." Look at today, IBM
VA> still preserved command-line and enhanced it to fully support DOS
VA> interfaces. There's a few OS/2 DOS programmers left because all
VA> compilers are written for PM shell. IBM let DOS phased out slowly. This
VA> is a better strategy than Microsoft's forcibly "DOS is dead!".

This is completely wrong...where did you get your information?

The only non-graphical version of OS/2 was version 1.0. Version 1.1, released
in 1988, was the version that introduced the Presentation Manager.  What OS/2
2.0 introduced was the Workplace Shell, the object-oriented shell sitting on
TOP of the Presentation Manager.

As for OS/2 text mode programs, these are nothing like DOS programs (And never
were). OS/2 is (and always was) a proper operating system in that it provides
APIs for program control, File/Disk operations, screen/video, Mouse
operations, etc.

Because of lack of information or some other reason, you don't know that there
are serious differences between OS/2 text-mode programs and DOS programs.
Further, you don't seem to know that OS/2 provides two _separate_ command-line
interfaces; DOS and OS/2.

OS/2 was never just a protected-mode DOS...it's always been quite a different
beast. :)