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Re: Update 3 - The performance update


2005-05-13 12:35:00 AM
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At 17:53:44, 12.05.2005, Ed Dressel writes:
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>Bugs that have never been reported have zero chance of getting fixed.

the bugs I have seen are at QC but for a long time there was no action
on them.
Putting them in QC is not a guarantee they will be fixed, but not putting
them in QC is a guarantee Borland will not know about your problems with
them.
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Re: Update 3 - The performance update

At 15:13:15, 12.05.2005, Alvaro GP writes:
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Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:

>You can quite easily, as evidenced by the people here that do it all
>the time.

Also evidenced by all the recent posts about the issue of appending
"IMO" to our statements?
Note that most of these do not come from TeamB. But there are issues
where one should explicitly make it clear that one is stating an opinion,
and these are the kinds of statements like "Delphi is unusable".
Why? Because the chance of a bad impression, of rumours starting, etc. is
already a problem for Borland, and this is their server, not yours.
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Ingvar Nilsen writes:
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D2005 is usable/unusble can never be a fact,
<sigh>
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Re: Update 3 - The performance update

Ingvar Nilsen writes:
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a friendly advice.
If you want the recipe for being banned from these news groups,
reread your message!
Excellent advice, Ingvar. it is not hard to post in a mature manner.
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Re: Update 3 - The performance update

Alvaro GP writes:
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Also evidenced by all the recent posts about the issue of appending
"IMO" to our statements?
If one is rude, snide, childish, and vulgar, one can expect that the
conversation will take a turn for the worse.
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Re: Update 3 - The performance update

Ed Dressel writes:
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the bugs I have seen are at QC but for a long time there was no
action on them.
Can you point to, say, five of them for me?
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Ingvar Nilsen in <428392aa$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
>>D2005 is usable/unusble can never be a fact,
>
>
><sigh>

Why fetching a sigh? What I wrote is not a fact, it is an
opinion <g, d&r>

Not the way you wrote it, it isn't.
 

Re: Update 3 - The performance update

Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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Ingvar Nilsen writes:


>D2005 is usable/unusble can never be a fact,


<sigh>
Why fetching a sigh? What I wrote is not a fact, it is an
opinion <g, d&r>
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Re: Update 3 - The performance update

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>X does not work for me.
Xavier does not work for me, either.
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>X does not work.
Hey, now wait a minute!
I just got to wondering: was XP named for him?
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Re: Update 3 - The performance update

At 12:27:48, 12.05.2005, Ingvar Nilsen writes:
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D2005 is usable/unusble can never be a fact
Er... if no one can use it for programming, it is a fact.
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Re: Update 3 - The performance update

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>the bugs I have seen are at QC but for a long time there was no
>action on them.

Can you point to, say, five of them for me?

so am I mistaken (could be) that when QC was first opened items were posted
but little if any apparent action was taken on the QCs? (Never mind that
this is a side point to the initial point).
 

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Ed Dressel writes:
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And I don't use QC--too many items there have lingered too long
unnoticed.
It's sounding a bit different now but I watched it for a long time where
it
became a place for customers to place issues (sometimes critical ones)
and
nothing apparently done about them. (The whole idea of voting on an
issue,
while it might have some merit, doesn't strike me as a focus on
quality--but
that's just my take on quality control).
It seems to me that when QC opened, Borland was working on C# Builder. I
could easily have my dates wrong. But there was a long time where Delphi
seemed like it didn't have new releases. I think a lot of people expected
fast turnaround on QC reports, and that just didn't happen.
However, service packs issued since QC have included lots of QC numbers,
showing that reporting things in QC is a good way of (eventually) getting
them fixed.
The voting thing is something we (the community) argue about from time to
time - most everyone would like to fix every bug, but that doesn't seem to
be economically feasible. So other than a Borland person deciding
priorities, how else do we tell them how important the bug is compared to
other ones? it is not perfect, but I can not think of a better solution.
-Brion
 

Re: Update 3 - The performance update

Billb writes:
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You read the following 2
sentences the same?

X does not work.

X does not work for me.
No and I guess my post failed as that is exactly the situation I wanted
to avoid.
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Ed Dressel writes:
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so am I mistaken (could be) that when QC was first opened items were
posted but little if any apparent action was taken on the QCs? (Never
mind that this is a side point to the initial point).
I'm not sure what, exactly, you are asking. A lot of QC reports aren't
acted upon because a lot of them are, well, {*word*99}. A lot aren't acted
upon becuase they aren't ever opened.
Again, I would love to see five reports you think should be at least
opened, and I will try to open them.
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Again, I would love to see five reports you think should be at least
opened, and I will try to open them.
I'm have not been talking about current events but historical events.
Frustrated by the past and thinking that voting on QCs is more of a dog and
pony show then anything else (I can't imagine how my customers would react
if I opened up voting for their favorite bugs). But that history, obivously.
 

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Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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If one is rude, snide, childish, and vulgar, one can expect that the
conversation will take a turn for the worse.
Curiously, I don't use to have problems with anyone, except you and
Rudy. Perhaps you are a little picky?
 

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Please take these problems to off-topic. Thanks!
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Curiously, I don't use to have problems with anyone, except you and
Rudy. Perhaps you are a little picky?


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