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Dean Hill
Delphi Developer |
Dean Hill
Delphi Developer |
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?2006-11-26 12:43:24 AM delphi41 Luke writes: QuoteYeah! Tell it to the guys who use D5, Delphi 6 to develop Vista native definitely good reasons to upgrade sometimes. Cheers Dean |
Brian Moelk
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 12:47:52 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
Felipe writes:
QuoteIt makes no sense to implement unicode for win64 and not for win32. Quotewin32 -->win64 needs only changes on the compiler and some minimal QuoteThey already promissed win64 and unicode, but I´ve never read anything Brian Moelk Brain Endeavor LLC XXXX@XXXXX.COM |
Brian Moelk
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 12:49:21 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
roman modic writes:
Quoteso, for me, Delphi is far from being dead ! options are too numerous/confusing? ;) -- Brian Moelk Brain Endeavor LLC XXXX@XXXXX.COM |
Kostya
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 12:51:18 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
Well I think it is all baloney. The main reason
that Delphi is in such sorry state is because of years it is utter neglect from Borland. I think that there is still chance to restore it is reputation but it needs REAL commitment instead of spending efforts in 10 different directions. I'd agree with one thing though. It is utterly stupid that having full blown C/C++ parser/compiler technology Borland failed to create automatic importer/exporter for at least C headers. |
Brian Moelk
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 01:08:31 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
Kostya writes:
QuoteWell I think it is all baloney. The main reason more popular/mainstream, but Delphi is what it is. I believe that CodeGear should dance with the girl they took to the prom. QuoteI would agree Unfortunately VCL for C++ Builder necessitates the continued development of their C++ compiler. They are behind MS VC++ and GCC is widely used for cross platform development; I am not certain there is any real room for them in the field of C++ compiler development to leverage a long term significant competitive advantage. -- Brian Moelk Brain Endeavor LLC XXXX@XXXXX.COM |
Brian Moelk
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 01:42:18 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
John Jacobson writes:
QuoteThe best thing they could do in this regard is probably to make their those interested, you can read my thoughts regarding CBX (and more) here: www.brainendeavor.com/tw/tiki-view_blog_post.php Quoteor even -- Brian Moelk Brain Endeavor LLC XXXX@XXXXX.COM |
Kostya
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 02:04:01 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?QuoteThe best thing they could do in this regard is probably to make their and it is language was designed to support demands of IDE. So improve it instead of spreading too thin. If they spend efforts on it supporting every compiler then they would do nothing but fighting bugs/incompatibilities And personally, Jake you are always mentioning your knowledge of C++ so why don't you buy bullet and find better paying job using this asset. Some of my programmers friends did just that and are now earning much better money. The only reason I use Delphi now is that I always develop products as a single piece and Delphi helps me cut some corners and lower the expenses. If I was looking for employment I would rather use C++. In mini ISV market there is nothing that beats Delphi but unfortunately Borland let it stagnate to the point when it is failing to support many things that are IMHO mandatory so I am looking to alternatives unless CG manages to fix what Borland has ruined |
Nathaniel L. Walker
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 02:25:36 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
Borland C++ has been{*word*154} on by the skin of its teeth
since version 5.02, only enjoying updates to keep it compatible with Delphi's VCL. Since then, they have been falling off the map as far as standards compliance went. The C++ toolchain is highly neglected. It didn't even ship with an export makefile tool. I don't think it can import Visual C++ projects anymore (probably due to it not being able to handle standard-compliant code anymore, since MS has left Borland in the dust in that area). It shipped with BDS2006 as a technology preview. And you're asking for more? - Nate. "Kostya" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes QuoteWell I think it is all baloney. The main reason |
Nathaniel L. Walker
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 02:35:22 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?QuoteWho knows about that, but I'd recommend CodeGear exiting the C++ Drop support for C++Builder VCL Ressurect the ObjectWindows Library (OWLNext is going strong) Support Microsoft Foundation Classes Make the compiler standard compliant Update compiler to target more recent processor types 64-Bit Support Mixxed Mode C++ Compiler (C++/CLI a'la Visual C++, RAD for .NET a'la Visual C++) Carry on smartly... The only thing VCL did to Borland C++ was turn it into a Delphi-tag-along. - Nate. |
Nathaniel L. Walker
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 02:39:35 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?QuoteEh, I know you're big on this idea, but I much prefer buying components for example. C++ code is more sensetive to compiler/language implementation changes than Delphi code (such as using older versions of STL/etc.). Also, if it ain't broke don't fix it. I know people who still use Borland C++ 5.02 to maintain applications because moving it to later versions of the compiler provide little, if any, benefit. They also like working in a "coder's IDE" and not the MSPAINT incarnation of Borland C++ that seems to digress coders in an attempt to promote VCL development. The project manager in C++Builder sucks too, but I digress that. it is a bit better in BDS2006. Still horrible, though. - Nate. |
Nathaniel L. Walker
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 02:40:06 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
Is Turbo Prolog dead?
- Nate. "Lord Crc" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes QuoteOn Fri, 24 Nov 2006 19:25:14 +0100, "Ole Willy Tuv" <owtuv at online |
John Jacobson
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 03:28:10 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
"Kostya" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
QuoteAnd personally, Jake you are always mentioning your finger of two hands the number of Delphi positions to which I have applied. There are plenty of nearly ideal C++ jobs and quite a few in my target market (Chicago Loop financial sector), that is not the issue. In fact I look forward to returning to the C-based syntax, like returning home. The issue in this thread is whether or not Delphi is dead. I like Delphi, but I think it is silly to question whether or not it is dead, right now. It is. It is time for everyone to admit that, and then figure out how they are going to deal with or address that fact. My continued existence in these newsgroups is a result of my continued interest in Delphi, whether or not I use it to earn an income. |
Brian Moelk
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 03:39:05 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
Nathaniel L. Walker writes:
QuoteIt would be easy to do what they need to do with C++Builder. from a CBX-type product. But the issue with C++Builder is if they can get suitable ROI. If they can, and the opportunity cost to do so is low, then I think it is a good idea. -- Brian Moelk Brain Endeavor LLC XXXX@XXXXX.COM |
Bruce McGee
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 03:55:28 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
Ole Willy Tuv writes:
Quote- Win32 at the end of its life-cycle. version should be "Twain". -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software |
Bruce McGee
Delphi Developer |
2006-11-26 04:02:57 AM
Re: Poll: Is it true that Delphi is dead ?
John Jacobson writes:
QuoteThe issue in this thread is whether or not Delphi is dead. I like -- Regards, Bruce McGee Glooscap Software |