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Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...


2006-02-09 01:44:06 AM
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"Wayne Niddery [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Sam Remek writes:
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>Well, the stock is down 4% this morning. Apparently not everyone
>agrees with you.<g>

4% in response to an announcement of this scale is rather mild to say the
least. So I'd say the stockmarket is actually taking this well.

most likely BORL stock is not owned by developers :)
 
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

That infers loyalty and even morality to a point! You must be as old as
my dad cause that is not the way the world works today!
"Sam Remek" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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David Intersimone "David I writes:


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>I would not make that or any other assumptions. We support a wide range
>of partner and platform API(s). We will be free to continue to support
>Borland API(s) and other companies with solutions that help developers be
>more productive and successful.

So does this mean the new Borland will be supporting Microsoft products?

I used to think you'd dance only with the fella that brought you. But
apparently that is no longer the case. :(

Sam

 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

John Kaster (Borland) writes:
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Florent Ouchet writes:
>Melting funders and users of a product could be a bad idea :(
It all depends on execution.
Could a set of developers with different needs (and funds) make a strong
agreement?
--
Florent Ouchet
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

Starfish was "given" to Kahn with the PIM (forget its name now) and
Dashboard as part of his "divorce" settlement with Borland. It lasted
about a year as memory serves
--- posted by geoForum on delphi.newswhat.com
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

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The top priority is to find a company that will be best for our customers,
employees, and IDE product lines, not necessarily the best deal.

a US company?
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

Randy,
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Have you given that 'ALM bloat" a chance at all or are you one of the
guys who just turned it off and never learned how to really leverage
it? Between the StarTeam and the Together modeling, I am using those
ALL the time and doing much better up front class design as a result.
I admit I haven't used the design patterns much, but that is mainly due
to my own lack of education on when to apply them.
StarTeam is version control for development teams. We don't work that
way. One programme is built by one programmer and the only communication
between them is via documented TCP/IP protocols. We have no shared
source code since I only work on x86 stuff and others are writing code
for PIC boards and other embedded stuff.
I have tried UML tools like Together and ModelMaker just as I tried
Entity Relationship modellers like ErWin and assorted graphical query
builders. In the end I find them all a drain on productivity since I
type faster than I "point and click". I don't need complicated class
heirarchies for what I do but I do need lots of low level bit twiddling
and I need it to be 'fast'. I also have no use for an "Object
Persistence Framework" since any abstraction like that has to involve a
performance penalty (since I have the source code to the engine I use my
'business logic' is built directly into the database engine core).
Naturally I realise that lots of people do have a use for UML and
Team/Source co-ordination, but I think that is best left to specialists
(like ModelMaker) so that such things can be optionally integrated via a
well documented and stable API.
Eryk
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

John Kaster (Borland) writes:
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Ender writes:

>I don't understand why sell good businness?

Because "Borland" is focusing on the ALM side of the business instead
of the developer side. The "new company" will be focusing back on the
developers, with the developer tools.

I have two wonderful company names:
IDE (Delphi, etc...) ->Borland
The rest (ALM, etc...) ->Inprise Reloaded II
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

Eryk writes:
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No, your memory is very wrong. Starfish Software was founded in 1994
on the back of one product - the SideKick PIM that was spun off by
Borland. The TrueSync stuff was developed after that with the first
signs of it being sync. features in the PIM product.
You are not contradicting what I said.
On the other hand, you were wrong to say that Starfish only lasted a
year, and wrong to imply that any of the above contradicts the fact
that Starfish's principle product was developed post-Borland.
We're now completely off the point, not that you really ever had one
that I can see.
--
Craig Stuntz [TeamB] ?Vertex Systems Corp. ?Columbus, OH
Delphi/InterBase Weblog : blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz
Borland newsgroup denizen Sergio González has a new CD of
Irish music out, and it is good: tinyurl.com/7hgfr
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

Frans van Daalen writes:
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I know this is a pessimistic view but buying and selling companies is
a "big boys game" and sometimes only money counts.
taking the pessimistic point of view is defeatist, and I am not defeatist
--
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Features and bugs: qc.borland.com
Get source: cc.borland.com
If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.borland.com
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

Too bad there's already a company named Delphi. Maybe follow along that
greek mythological line,,, Herpes - Spread the D-Word
"Rick Carter" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>David Intersimone "David I writes:
>>I;m sure we can easily come up with a better company name than
>>Inprise.

John Kaster writes:
>QUITE sure!

Intersoft? <g,d&r>
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

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>A buyer like Oracle would in my
>opinion be disastrous for the product but a company like Google would
>probably be a good thing.

We are looking for a buyer who wants to grow the products and fulfill
our customer's needs. We need a company that understands the products,
the market, and our customers.
My hope is the new Dany Thope boss indicate the Delphi Buyer is.
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

"Mike Margerum" writes:
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I think this is fantastic news. Delphi and C++ builder can finally get the
attention they deserve and we will hopefully have cross platform COMPILED
application support. They may also hopefully support windows CE. I'd
gladly drop $1,000 for that tommorow.
Me too :)
--
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
www.realthinclient.org
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

David Intersimone "David I writes:
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To our loyal developer community:
I'm really e{*word*277}d to be moving to the new company. We've got the right
Insn't this a little premature when "The new company does not exist yet?"
chris
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" writes:
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That is not the problem. The problem is that, if not the U.S govt, the
EU would not allow MS to purchase the Borland IDE business. Remember
that the EU recently forced MS to release a discounted version of XP
Home that didn't have the Media Player for similar reasons.
And to the chagrin of the EU, thinking it knows better than the free market,
essentially no-one cares to buy the castrated version.
--
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RADBooks: www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html
"Democracy, without the guarantee of liberty, is merely a method of
selecting tyrants." - Alan Nitikman
 

Re: Borland plans separate company for Delphi, JBuilder, C++Builder, InterBase, JDataStore and other developer products...

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>At least we'll have the Pascal in Visual Studio and will not have
>additional wrappers around "system" components and databases

Now wouldn't that be a cool thing to have, indeed... <g>
I suppose, if you like WinForms, which I don't. I would be interested in
using Chrome if it had anything to offer VCL developers.