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Nick Hodges (CodeGear)
Delphi Developer |
Nick Hodges (CodeGear)
Delphi Developer |
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear2007-02-23 08:54:42 AM delphi262 Sig writes: QuoteExactly! Turbo Pro was promised as a professional version of one shoudln't be an issue. I can not stop you from being upset about it, but I don't think you should be. -- Nick Hodges Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear blogs.codegear.com/nickhodges |
Rick Carter
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 09:09:28 AM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in CodegearQuoteRick Carter writes: of products. Don't you think that more than just a few of them will be upset if they don't find at least the same components and the same functionality in the next Turbo version? Sure, they can spend a few more bucks than they had planned and move up to the Studio line, but I would predict that, before they do, they'll get out their torches and pitchforks and start screaming "Bait and switch! Bait and switch!" Rick Carter XXXX@XXXXX.COM Chair, Delphi/Paradox SIG, Cincinnati PC Users Group --- posted by geoForum on delphi.newswhat.com |
Lord Crc
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 09:19:20 AM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:58:07 -0800, "Michael Swindell \(CodeGear\)"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes: QuoteWe are working on a new model for public disclosure on product and feature be released mid-2007, it will not contain ABC or XYZ." Etc etc. Us normal people will understand, and the laywers will be happy. - Asbjørn |
Scott Martin
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 09:51:45 AM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Nick,
It was my impression the Turbo's were for a single personality. The studios were for multiple. Explorer for Students, Pro for developers. Why should I buy the other personalities, when I know I will just need the one. The one thing I always like about Borland compilers was that they were always lean. It seems like the BDS is starting to gain ground on M$'s approach of becoming a 'kitchen sink' compiler. I would have preferred that the Turbo's were the _exact_ same as the BDS, just a single personality with all the same features. I am aware that the BDS has the option to install only what you need and that is fine. I will just consider the other personalities as a free set of tools that come with the one I need ;) Regards, Scott. "Nick Hodges (CodeGear)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes QuoteCraig writes: |
Nick Hodges (CodeGear)
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 10:10:40 AM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Scott Martin writes:
QuoteIt was my impression the Turbo's were for a single personality. -- Nick Hodges Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear blogs.codegear.com/nickhodges |
Jolyon Smith
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 10:13:39 AM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
In article <45de3b52$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, Nick Hodges (CodeGear)
says... QuoteSig writes: name) for individual professional developers, which seems to be the distinction you now draw between Studio and non-Studio products. i.e. if you are a professional, Studio products are for you. Are you saying that that positioning is not changing? You have sold X, and are now saying that in future to remain current with X you now have to upgrade not to the equivalent new version of the product originally purchased by, sold to and marketted at that customer, but to a different, more expensive version. I guess, to be fair, we don't know how much more expensive it will be since we have yet to even see hide-or-hair of whatever the replacement will be for Turbo Professional. ie. Turbo <better> Incidentally, could I suggest "Turbo Developer" ? That falls nicely "above" the hobbyist/student type pitch, but a little short of the "professional" pitch that would, after all, no longer apply. -- Jolyon Smith WHILE INKEY$ WEND |
David Farrell-Garcia
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 10:43:07 AM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Michael Swindell (CodeGear) writes:
Impressive reponse Michael. I have no doubt that you are 100% serious about the call and CodeGear's goals. Quoteyou really feel CodeGear is trying to do some kind of shell game - Whidbey Island Software, LLC |
Bob
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 12:22:16 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Nick Hodges (CodeGear) writes:
QuoteRick Carter writes: |
Nick Hodges (CodeGear)
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 12:33:37 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Bob writes:
QuoteSo you are tacitly confirming that is going to happen ? -- Nick Hodges Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear blogs.codegear.com/nickhodges |
Bob
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 12:49:09 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Nick Hodges (CodeGear) writes:
QuoteBob writes: midstream. I see things that worry me about Codegear's direction. Bait and switch is not a good way to ensure future sales or customer loyalty. |
Nick Hodges (CodeGear)
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 01:48:09 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Bob writes:
QuoteBait and switch is not a good way to ensure future sales or customer products. We've never said anything else. There are slides in presentations all over the place here that show the Turbos "under" the studio offerings. There's no "bait and switch" and to say so is insulting and out of line. Sorry. If you are a Turbo owner, you can upgrade the next version of the Turbos or you upgrade to the Studio Professional. that is a great deal either way. -- Nick Hodges Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear blogs.codegear.com/nickhodges |
J. Lee
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 01:55:48 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
I think Bob is implying that future Turbos will remove features that are
currently in Turbo--which is not the case at all. However, future Turbos won't necessarily have the same feature set as the non-Turbos. Nick Hodges (CodeGear) writes: QuoteWe've /always/ been clear that the Turbos are "a rung below" the other |
Dave Keighan
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 02:03:21 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
J,
QuoteI think Bob is implying that future Turbos will remove features that are the features of Delphi Explorer either. Why is the assumption that Delphi Pro will remain as is and Turbo will loose something ... _maybe_ Delphi Pro will gain ... hang on a sec, last time *I* checked it already has. -- Dave Therapist [Open Source] Guild of Delphi Hobbyists and Occupational Developers |
Nick Hodges (CodeGear)
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 02:13:41 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
J. Lee writes:
QuoteI think Bob is implying that future Turbos will remove features that not. We will be adding features to the Studio products going forward. -- Nick Hodges Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear blogs.codegear.com/nickhodges |
Daniël Mantione
Delphi Developer |
2007-02-23 02:54:54 PM
Re: Why I am dissappointed in Codegear
Bob <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
QuoteDaniël Mantione writes: teached nation-wide, they use their own Free Pascal IDE (ims.mii.lt/fps/lt/about/). In South Africa it was teached nation wide, but they were still using Turbo Pascal, but since a few years Java is permitted too. Pascal is still taught a lot there, but it needs attention, as it is loosing big to Java, Free Pascal is not a permitted option (nor is Delphi), and few teachers want to use Turbo Pascal to eternity. Another country where Pascal is strong in education is Hungary. There is now a textbook for Free Pascal available in Hungarian (computerbooks.hu/FreePascal/) which is used in schools. In my own country, the Technical University of Eindhoven uses Free Pascal for their education. Tom Verhoeff is responsible for that, you might know him of ACM ICPC involvement. They are have a research group which is doing experiments with language extensions and they use the Free Pascal source code for that. In general we can count "help me with my homework questions". Many come from eastern Europe. Spanish speaking countries are also strongly represented. Daniël Mantione |