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A Mackie
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A Mackie
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Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?2006-02-13 04:16:39 PM delphi161 So who would want to by an IDE company ? Let's see: Microsoft - Delphi language lives on inside Visual Studio.NET. C++Builder, C#Builder, JBuilder, etc. put out of their misery (or left to stagnate). Computer Associates - "Where good software goes to die". Products live on, but with price hikes to squeeze every last penny out of existing customers (so what's new!). IBM, Sun, Oracle, - Java/Eclipse shops, why would they want it ? China - "Red Flag Delphi" :-P. Any other guesses ? Andy Mackie. |
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-13 06:55:00 PM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
A Mackie writes:
QuoteAny other guesses ? -- Dave Nottage [TeamB] Have questions?: www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Want answers?: support.borland.com |
Atmapuri
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-13 07:30:52 PM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
Hi!
QuoteSo who would want to by an IDE company ? Let's see: You make it seem like a political decision... As if though Delphi is not able to stand on its own, but only if it is being abused by a bigger corporation. Delphi would have been canceled long ago, if it was not profitable.. Best Regards! Atmapuri |
John Jacobson
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-13 09:41:45 PM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
"Dave Nottage [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM> QuoteA group of investors that don't necessarily have a company name behind divide up the product line? Do they let Delphi die simply because they think it is worth far more than the bids? Or do they accept the best bid even though it means breaking up the product lines to buy only Delphi, and then with staff cutbacks? -- ***Free Your Mind*** Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 1.0.4.2054 |
marc hoffman
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 12:57:20 AM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
Atmapuri,
QuoteWhoever wants to make money and Delphi is not marc hoffman Chief Architect, .NET RemObjects Software www.chromesville.com and the fifty-two daughters of the revolution turn the gold to chrome |
Andrew
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 08:23:06 AM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
A Mackie writes:
QuoteSo who would want to by an IDE company ? Let's see: Such a buyer could use the Borland IDEs the way MS uses theirs, as loss-leaders (ie CHEAP or FREE) to foster a developer community for the platform. Since there are already two big players doing this (MS/VS and IBM/Eclipse), there's no longer any hope for anyone trying to actually sell IDEs for what they're worth. Here's a few companies that fit the PLATFORM and LOTS OF MONEY criteria (that dont already have a top class IDE): Apple Novell / Suse Google / Mysterious GoogleOS (*prays*) Sun (??) Someone in the handheld/smartphone space Cheers, Andrew |
Jim Rowell
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 09:47:11 AM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
John Jacobson writes:
Quote"Dave Nottage [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes push comes to shove, the offer will be considered for it is cash value and strategic details. A quick apology will be made for any shortcomings and they'll move on with a clean conscience. that is business. It sucks but it's the way most management teams operate (even if they don't like to think about it that way). Now that the decision has been made to chop the IDE group, there is zero concern for them. They are already a forgotten memory as far as Borland is concerned. We need to hope the buyer has the same vision the IDE group has because they won't get much support from Borl. If they do refuse an offer that seems good from a cash point of view, it'll be because they see a strategic downside. An example would be if they feel the buyer will be strengthened by the purchase in a way that would create a stronger ALM competitor. That doesn't seem likely so it is going to be mainly a matter of ka-ching. -- Jim Rowell |
John Jacobson
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 10:22:16 AM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
Jim Rowell <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes <43f135c4$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
QuoteDoes anyone honestly think those semi-promises from Borland's management are -- ***Free Your Mind*** Posted with JSNewsreader Preview 0.9.4.2055 |
Jim Rowell
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 10:52:44 AM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
John Jacobson writes:
QuoteJim Rowell <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes Turned a reasonably competent & growing company into a corporate horror. Replaced everyone with strategically selected and often very incompetent outsiders. Basically crucified the staff in order to ensure her position. Never trust a man *or woman* in a suit. <g> As the snake in Jungle Book says: "You are getting sssssssssssssssleeeepy". <veg> |
Jim Rowell
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 10:59:12 AM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
Andy Gibson writes:
QuoteA Mackie writes: current user base. For example, we'd all like to see Delphi compile to Apple but not if it was going to cut seriously into the normal work would we? I'd suspect it would be better if a consortium came about made up of investors who had faith in it as seen by the IDE staff and it is users. No ulterior purpose or interest other than making money over the long term. One can hope. -- Jim Rowell |
Andy Gibson
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 11:00:07 AM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
A Mackie writes:
QuoteSo who would want to by an IDE company ? Let's see: of the VCL. In addition, they have the potential for thousands of Delphi apps to be available on the apple platform. There's plenty of talk of Google taking on MS, and coming out with some kind of OS, even if it consists of only Firefox/GBrowser, GMail, and Open Office as a simple thin client type offering. If they are more interested in the desktop, then Delphi could be a huge asset for the same reasons as apple. Create a native VCL and then try and utilize the delphi apps already out there. In light of recent events, it makes me wonder about Danny Thorpe leaving Borland for Google. Was it to work on Firefox, or was it to start laying groundwork?. Pah, he can work on Firefox in the evenings at home in his jim jams. It may be a bit of a leap, but if Google does buy Delphi, and Danny is back in the fold, wouldn't it at least look suspicious? Conspiracies aside, the one thing about these two companies buying DelphiCo is that they will have bought it for a reason, with intent to advance the platform, hopefully to the benefit of existing users as well as their own goals. |
Andy Gibson
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 02:15:56 PM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?Quote>Conspiracies aside, the one thing about these two companies buying I think one problem with CLX was that they were going for something that was so compatible with the existing VCL because of current users. What if someone like apple decided to keep but freeze the VCL for win32, but create a new library that would be easier to implement in a cross platform manner? They wouldn't care so much about being as compatible with the current VCL because it isn't part of the VCL. We could get a new library with unicode support, and supported multi-platform compilation. Obviously, if they want to hoard Delphi for just Mac users, and keep windows users ticking over, then no, that wouldn't be a good thing, and probably wouldn't be good for them either. I am not saying either is likely, but as long as they take win32 developers with them wherever they take Delphi, then win32 developers will benefit from wherever they go. QuoteI'd suspect it would be better if a consortium came about made up of unknown investors would be the final nail in the coffin as it would seem that no big name investors would be interested. |
Larry Drews
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 08:29:45 PM
Re:Speculation - Who would by an IDE company ?
"Jim Rowell" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in news:43f135c4$XXXX@XXXXX.COM:
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company without sufficiently taking the employees into consideration. Within a month 90% of the employees had resigned and gone elsewhere. The financial company was left with essentially nothing because all of the expertise and domain knowledge had walked out the door. We are talking millions of dollars lost because the buyer did not get the employees on board. Any potential buyer of the IDEs faces a similar problem. So that problem becomes Borland's problem also. So this is not just a financial transaction, i.e., maximize the cash received. In order for the buyer to receive the value, the employees must be happy with the deal. And the employees here are motivated by considerations other than how much cash Borland receives. So I expect that any deal will have the characteristics that the DevRel people have already expressed, or there won't be a deal. |
Jim Rowell
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 10:54:59 PM
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Larry Drews writes:
QuoteMany years ago I worked for a software development company that Borland could care less if the new company wastes millions of dollars or goes bankrupt the next day. Not their problem any more. Not their money. How many buying companies would actually feel that the people are critically important or that the majority would leave? I would say very few would hold either view. Regardless, Borland will say anything to us, the staff and the buyer; whatever we want to hear as long as the laws are met. After the cash changes hands, it is a wave and a quick see-ya-later. -- Jim Rowell |
Captain Jake
Delphi Developer |
2006-02-14 11:22:16 PM
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"Larry Drews" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
QuoteMany years ago I worked for a software development company that assets that are not directly represented in a daily balance sheet. In fact, the most clueless nincompoops I have ever worked for were financial companies. |