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Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?


2004-12-24 04:31:29 PM
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"Christopher Burke" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Captain Jake writes:
>I don't think so. The original release of D4 was not even useable. Delphi 8 had
>some serious problems. Judging from the newsgroups D2005 is not near as
>buggy as either of those, even before the update.

I've been able to use D1-D7 out of the box in the real world,
You were able to use D4 right out of the box? Congratulations. You might be
unique in that regard.
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D2005 just can not even do sample stuff let alone real world stuff and D8
just never happenned ... so ...
Not having yet tried anything with D2005+Update#1, I have no idea what it
can do. But I still remember quite vividly what D4 could not do right out of
the box.
 
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

Captain Jake writes:
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You were able to use D4 right out of the box? Congratulations. You might be
unique in that regard.
I didn't say it was nice ... just that it was possible.
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Not having yet tried anything with D2005+Update#1, I have no idea what it
can do. But I still remember quite vividly what D4 could not do right out of
the box.
Wasn't that bad now .... it loaded simple apps and compiled them, loaded
components reasonably well.
Matter of fact, D4 C/S was used for over a year out of the box on some
retail POS software.
Unless Borland released out of box patched D4 versions ?
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

"Christopher Burke" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Unless Borland released out of box patched D4 versions ?
I think it depends on *when* you got your box. Boxes that came out a little
while after a patch did have the patched version, IIRC.
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

I agree.
Just done the update.
Still not satisfied.
Tried to make some simple test programs just to see if my knowledge of .net
was good enough to do some simple winform stuff.
Thought it wasn't because I couldn't get much out of it.
Lots of errors, some seemingly random, others probably just my fault but the
help file doesn't really 'HELP'.
Installed a eval. version of ms visual studio .net and tried to make the
same test programs in c#.
It worked. And it wasn't really hard too.
Gone back to delphi, tried to translate the c# program to delphi. Still no
go.
Messing with namespaces, can not find the objects in referenced packages,
probably my fault again...
And then to think it has been at least eight years since I programmed in
C(++), while I have been programming in Delphi for about 7 years now.
regards,
Marcel
"Jason Southwell" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>>can we say that Delphi 2005 is the most buggy Delphi
>>ever released?
>
>No.

Excluding Delphi 8, then Yes.
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

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(Just curious, because I never used Delphi 4).
If you had, you would never ask such a question :-)
I have had a few AVs etc in D2005, and a couple of slowdowns too. I have
not had an experience yet which has stopped me from using it. The slowdown
for me was always during asp.net development, running the app and stopping
it by closing the browser always fixed it.
In fact, despite the fact that I thought the _history folder was a rubbish
idea, I have been saved many times already by the new local history feature.
A few times I have messed something up, saved + run the app a few times
before realising, and then sighed with relief as I have browsed through the
history and found a file 5-8 versions old with the code I needed.
I do believe that some users do like to complain. If they find a problem
which affects them directly then the whole product is considered by them to
be a useless waste of time.
I'm using it quite a lot, maybe 50% of the time and 50% D7. This used to be
50% Delphi 7 and 50% D5.
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Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

"Peter Morris [Air Software Ltd]"
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I do believe that some users do like to complain. If they find a problem
which affects them directly then the whole product is considered by them
to
be a useless waste of time.
Quite right. If you monitor this NG, you will almost consistently get the
same type of "complaints" from people who cannot see beyond the non-show
stopper bugs they encounter. Constant negativity pretty sums up personality?
I'm pretty pleased with the new Update so far.
Chris
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

Captain,
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You were able to use D4 right out of the box? Congratulations. You might
be unique in that regard.
certainly not. i have always been using the latest Delphi version right from
the day i got my hands on it, and all the way from Delphi 1 thru Delphi 7
that has never been a problem for me - including Delphi 4. To be honest, i
don't recall what problems Delphi 4 had (in general, or for me), although i
do remember that it was, at that time, a sub-standard release compared to
D1-3. [though compared to recent releases, it was rock solid]
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Not having yet tried anything with D2005+Update#1, I have no idea what it
can do. But I still remember quite vividly what D4 could not do right out
of the box.
out of real curiosity, because i don't remember: what was it that D4 could
not do?
 

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"chrisC" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"Peter Morris [Air Software Ltd]"
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news:41cbdfbf$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>I do believe that some users do like to complain. If they find a problem
>which affects them directly then the whole product is considered by them
to
>be a useless waste of time.
Quite right. If you monitor this NG, you will almost consistently get the
same type of "complaints" from people who cannot see beyond the non-show
stopper bugs they encounter. Constant negativity pretty sums up
personality?

I'm pretty pleased with the new Update so far.
Good for you, no doubt, but when I recompile a Delphi 7 project under D2005 and
that it now behaves in a slightly different way, well... I am sorry, but I
cannot but be disappointed.
Would my application behave differently from one version to another, my
users would be disappointed and rightly so.
Alan.
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

Captain Jake writes:
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"Christopher Burke" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>Unless Borland released out of box patched D4 versions ?


I think it depends on *when* you got your box. Boxes that came out a little
while after a patch did have the patched version, IIRC.


That explains alot :)
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

Alan Garny writes:
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Good for you, no doubt, but when I recompile a Delphi 7 project under D2005
and that it now behaves in a slightly different way, well... I am
sorry, but I cannot but be disappointed.
How much of that is because some 3rd party component changes between
versions. I recompiled one of mine up and found some new props were
taking on defaults, nothing was said at any point in the upgrade
process but these new "defaults" were causing an issue.
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

"Liz" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Alan Garny writes:
>Good for you, no doubt, but when I recompile a Delphi 7 project under D2005
>and that it now behaves in a slightly different way, well... I am
>sorry, but I cannot but be disappointed.
How much of that is because some 3rd party component changes between
versions. I recompiled one of mine up and found some new props were
taking on defaults, nothing was said at any point in the upgrade
process but these new "defaults" were causing an issue.
Two of the issues that I have are not 3rd party components related. This
said, it may be a problem that is indirectly related to them. I guess I
would need to investigate those issues a bit further... whenever I have some
time...
Alan.
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

Alan Garny writes:
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Two of the issues that I have are not 3rd party components related.
This said, it may be a problem that is indirectly related to them. I
guess I'd need to investigate those issues a bit further...
whenever I have some time...
It maybe something others here have already solved, post and find out :)
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

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Is it leaking or is it to do with garbage collection? Don't confuse
the two.

Good point, however if this is just garbage collecting gone amuck, then
that'd mean Delphi is creating tons of objects and hoping that the collector
will work, which is probably not a good idea either...
-BKN
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

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I've been able to use D1-D7 out of the box in the real world, D2005 just
can't even do sample stuff let alone real world stuff and Delphi 8 just never
happenned ... so ...

Out of curiosity, what is it D2005 cannot do? I have been working on a "real
world" application for a couple months now (check out the dotnet boards for
my recent posts), though truth be told I am only using the .NET side of
D2005, still using Delphi 7 for Win32.
-BKN
 

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 1 not enough?

Edwin Lau <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Well, I believe they want to get an update out as quickly as possible
especially to fix the memory leak and the slow boot up.
Yep, I think it is absolutely better to get "smaller" patches/updates that
go solving problems gradually. That gives time to check if some other things
were broken as well. I am usually against monolitic, giant updates, specially
when
they take forever to finish. The Memory Leak issue is a top priority so if
update#1
fixes it, that is ok.
IMHO this update was delivered by Borland on time, let's just see what it
does not resolve and then keep pushing for update # 2 (well, we'll let them
rest over holidays ok? ;)
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