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2006-11-01 10:39:39 PM
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We want to keep some of our component source in StarTeam, more to share our
components that really VC'ing them (they hardly ever change).
I've already added one component into StarTeam, which of course shows as
it's own project. I realized after the fact I'd really like all our
components to show up under a root folder called something like '2006
Components', then have all the components under that folder.
Is this possible or does each of the components need to be loaded/displayed
as a seperate project? If so how can I move the existing folders to the
(new) folder?
TIA -
Jeff
 

Don't know if this is what you're asking, but you can setup several
views under the same project and have each view work essentially like
its own project. When creating the view, do NOT check "Derive new view
from current view". If you do that, the new view will have a completely
independent set of files, labels and other items, so, it's like a
totally separate project.
I've been using that approach to put several small porjects under a
common StarTeam project and be able to organize them in a hierarchy.
Kjell
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Hmm that sounds like what I want. Except the Wizard walked me thru the 1st
project so now my top level folder is the project name with the actual files
in subdirectories under it.
Essentially I want to have a hierarchy more like:
Components for D2006
- ComponentA (It's own project)
- ComponentB (It's own project)
- ComponentC (It's own project)
- ...
It's more for organization than anything to help quickly locate stuff.
Then I have another example of a similar kind. My product line has 1
product. This individual product is made up (currently) of 236 individual
Delphi Projects. In the Root level I don't want to see 236 individual
projects, just the actual 'product' with all the individual projects below
it. Is that confusing?
Jeff
"Kjell Rilbe" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

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We have to distinguish between "StarTeam project", "Delphi project",
"StarTeam view", "StarTeam folder" and "Windows folder". These are five
distinctly different things, and unless you understand the differences
you will find it difficult to understand how to get what you want out of
StarTeam.
Please read up on those concepts first. I'll write a short summary here:
1. "StarTeam project": This is a top-level container in StarTeam. You
cannot have a hierarchy of ST projects - you will always see them listed
in a straight alphabetical list. Each ST project contains one or more ST
views.
2. "Delphi project": This is in StarTeam's world just a set of folders
and files. I assume you knwo what it is in non-StarTeam terms.
3. "StarTeam view": This is a second-to-top level container in StarTeam.
Each veiw contains a set of StarTeam folders and files (and CR:s etc.).
Views can be organized into a hierarchy. A view can be derived from its
parent view or independent from it.
4. "StarTeam folder": This is a container, very much like a Windows
folder, but the StarTeam folder tree might not be identical with a
folder tree in Windows, since each ST folder can specify any working
(Windows) folder, including a relative or absolute Windows path.
5. "Windows folder": I assume you know what this is.
What I suggested (tridd to suggest) was to create one single ST project
for your product.
Then create one ST view for each Delphi project that's part of your
product. If you want to be able to create separate view labels etc for
each Delphi project, each view should NOT derive from the top/parent view.
If you want to be able to label the entire product with a single view
label in the top view, then you need to put all of your Delphi projects
in there. In that case other's might have good suggestiong on how to
ALSO be able to handle each Delphi project separately, with its own set
of view labels, separate from the product/top view labels.
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Thanks Kjell. Definately still learning. We are moving from the Jedi VCS
to StarTeam so some of the concepts are different then we used there. I've
been weeding thru the ST web based training. Can't wait till it 'clicks' -
LOL. It's obvious I need to understand views more thats for sure.
Jeff
"Kjell Rilbe" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

Yes, view are a very central concept in StarTeam and you can both do a
lot of useful stuff and "shoot yourself in your foot" with them. If you
decide to use sharing at all, make sure you know what you're doing.
There are several pitfalls there.
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You wouldn't happen to have any suggested reading? The user manual (PDF) is
kinda light on views.
Just curious - Do you guys place any of your 3rd party VCL controls in ST?
Jeff
"Kjell Rilbe" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

J. Clarke wrote:
via Google which gives about six different options for using views.
Here's what we do, which is AFAICS fairly standard practice:
o Everyone works in default view.
o Immediately after a release is finalized, we create a derived view
for that release. The view is set to freeze to the current time, and
branch on change.
o Development of the next release continues in the main view.
o When we need to do a service pack, we implement the features in the
main view and then either float the derived view's corresponding items
to tip (and then freeze again) or branch the corresponding items if
there have been too extensive changes in the main view to float them.
CRs we share into the derived view and have them branch on change,
since they're fixed in two places (the derived view and the main view).
As for third-party controls, yes we have them in there but I've never
been happy with how we do it so I won't give advice. :)
-Craig
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Everything You Need to Know About InterBase Character Sets:
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Sorry, no suggestions for reading about views. Read the user manual and
online help and experiment, then do it again, until you understand
everything it says. :-)
Seriously, setup a small test project on a test server configuration
that you can play with at will. Before you want to do something, try it
out on the test server and make sure it has the effect you desire. Ask
here if what you're planning to do is a good idea, and if there are any
pitfalls.
I've placed 3rd party stuff under version control, yes. You will
probably need to do that to be able to keep track of which version of
your stuff works with which version of each 3:rd party package.
Kjell
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Thanks Craig - Searching for that document. I guess part a big part is the
heiracrchal structure I want the users to see more than anything.
"Craig Stuntz [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM [a.k.a. acm.org]>wrote
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...so it's worth it to setup an additional server for test projects then?
"Kjell Rilbe" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

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:-)
But you don't need a separate machine, just setup a separate StarTeam
server configuration on the same server as your normal StarTeam server
configuration, or on your workstation.
Some people here even do a regular copy from the production server
config to the test config just to be able to test things on a server
config that contains real-world data.
Kjell
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J. Clarke wrote:
use a separate server configuration rather than a separate physical
server.
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LOL...actually I had talked to my IT manager today about that (even tho I
have enuf priv to setup a new one) we hadn't backed up our initial setup
yet.
One thing I noticed is that the MSDE seemed to want all the room on the disk
from our initial setup for itself. Do I actually need to go into SQL to
pare it back so I have enuf room for the test server instance?
"Kjell Rilbe" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

Dunno about MSDE config and requirements. I do know that I have five
StarTeam server configurations on my machine and I only have one MSDE
instance serving all five.
Kjell
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